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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2012 19:33:24 GMT -5
Drake's lack of success had little to do with the aw content/volume of his event or his reputation within the aw world. He is a successfull well ressourced business man who anticipated a non aw spectator base. He learnt his lesson and now keeps events very small.
I'm a big Roucelle fan (with much respect) we are adding healthy banter to our opinions. Not everything Guy can be delivered by a unicorn on a rainbow.
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Post by Ashley Maher on Jan 19, 2012 20:53:03 GMT -5
joey writes:
I'm surprised that I never got my throat chewed out after my last post so I will post again.
I like your way of thinking Guy
I agree with you that standing out against an apponent that you wouldn't normally budge is a great feeling.
I think medalions are a great idea.
When I started out I used to display my awards with pride, and I realised that my awards showed off my accomplishments not the money I won.
I would say make your tournaments fun.
Give medalions but if possible give lots of prises Jeff has a point, people like gifts that they don't expect to get, like a bonus at the end of the year.
Joey
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Post by silverback on Jan 19, 2012 20:59:45 GMT -5
Hey if it wasn't for ideas then nothing would happen. I respect everyones opinions and Guy is right, lets keep it going. Chris your a hell of an armwrestler and its always good to see you. Keep this board going with your ideas. Now I know there are more armwrestlers then the ones who do the usual posts so let go guys and gals, POST UP!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2012 21:26:35 GMT -5
Ima gonna shove a unicorn and rainbow right up Gobbys,,,,,,,,, oh wait, I cant say that can I Chris. Stop being an idiot. Didnt say dont banter. Just respectful of other peoples opinions. Contrary to your belief Mr Gobby, you are wrong ALOT!!! LMAO But you do have some good qualities......... Save that for another thread, this one is starting to get good. Way to go guys and gals, this is good food. Oh and Chris define successful?  Money + Idiot = Idiot with Money not necessarily successful. I know lots of people personally, with more money than Robert could dream of, but you would never know it to meet them. Dont know Robert personally but my First Impression, supported by his ACTIONS, dont give me good flavour. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2012 21:36:13 GMT -5
Fair enough old man. You make some good points.
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Post by Steve Noonan on Jan 20, 2012 8:33:35 GMT -5
I don't post on the board much anymore but I read this thread and felt I should reply. Everyone here has posted very valid points and reasons why the sport is where it is. I agree with every post in there own respect. I will start with Hugh's post about travel, and agree that traveling would be helped greatly for alot of aw if they had better long distance ways to get there like car pooling. I will also agree with the smaller events at fairs and such would give the new and less experienced pullers a venue to compete. I will add that places for every one to train and learn is an aspect in the same respect as most have to travel a long way to get training. The time it takes for an event is huge for a person when he has to travel. I think a circut event should as a rule have 2 tables going and one warm up or play table in the back (this will give new guys the chance if knocked out early to get more pulling in) and the table in the back is often as entertaining as the main event. My biggest point is COMUNICATION many prospective pullers we have never met or may never meet because this board is not utilized to its full potential. I think there should be new forums open on this board to comunicate to new and old pullers. One forum for RideShare for guys that want to go to an event and need a way there if you go to an event and if you have 1 ,2,or3 seats free post it offer a new or old puller a chance to say well I have a ride I should go. another thread would be for Non Circut Events for new and old pullers to find a competitive oulet for them to pull. Another forum would be for Open Practice for guys to go train learn and find out how welcome they actually are. anyone can chime in on a forum that they would like to see but for a new guy to come on here and navigate the main forum that everything is all together and jumbled it is just not welcoming for a guy curious about the sport. sorry for the long post and babbling just got home from 12hr night shift that will explain any bad spelling lol. Later.
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Post by Jay Riehle on Jan 20, 2012 11:20:30 GMT -5
Wow!!! Did I miss anything? Skimming through what has already been posted I only have one question........ What happened to CarrotFest? ? I have never seen a tournament get so much spectator involvement. The year I went it was right in the middle of an intersection held in a giant wrestling ring!!!! There were so many people watching that I couldn't even see what was going on. I guess what I have to add here is.......Take the sport of armwrestling, add a small gimmick (wrestling ring) and stick it out there for everyone to see. People can't help but ask Who,What,Where,Why & How? In the future I would love to hold a tourney at The Elmira Maple Syrup Festival. Again, much like the CarrotFest they shut down main street to hold the festivities and it attracts people from all over North America. Throw a tourney in middle of the street, with literally thousands of people in attendance and let the sport of armwrestling take the rural community by STORM!!!! Besides if we get a few mennonites interested in pulling we might all be in trouble!!! |
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Post by Eric Roussin on Jan 20, 2012 12:04:31 GMT -5
A lot of good ideas are being discussed here. Keep them coming. Here are my thoughts about some of the ideas I’ve read, to stimulate more discussion: Regarding travel: It’s a reality that it can get expensive travelling to events. Carpooling is definitely a good way to go. Anyone driving to a tournament with extra seats in their vehicle is encouraged to let others know. I can create a forum for this (as Steve has suggested) and see if it gets used. Unfortunately, not everyone has access to a car, and a team’s attendance at an event is often based on if the team member who has a vehicle is going to the event. Hopefully the carpooling forum will help encourage alternate means of transportation. Regarding training locations: I try to promote this on the OAA website, but I don’t know how much people know about the page ( www.ontarioarmwrestling.com/contact.htm ). If anyone wants their information added, please let me know. I will also add a forum on the message board for people to post their training session information, because I think the board sees more action than the site (again, good idea Steve). Regarding fair events: I absolutely agree that more of these can only help the sport. These can still be sanctioned. All the sanction indicates is that the standard armwrestling rules will apply and certified referees will be officiating. There is no cost. I can’t think of a reason why an event wouldn’t want to be sanctioned, regardless of the size. For details regarding event type descriptions, visit www.ontarioarmwrestling.com/events.htm . For fair events, the most important thing we need is “doers” – people who will put in the effort to set up and run these events. Once you run your first event, you see that it really doesn’t require that much work. We can’t always depend on the same handful of people to put on tournaments. I can help provide advice from a distance for anyone who wants it. If someone decides to put on a small event, they should really try to talk to the new pullers at the event and tell them about the sport (upcoming tournaments, local pullers, etc.) and try to get them interested. Offer to pull a bit with them after the tournament to show them basic technique. I think this is one of the best ways to bring in new blood. Regarding standardized awards: I personally like award variety: trophies, medals, unique prizes, cash. I sort of like not knowing what the prizes will look like until I get to the event (unless it’s cash). I know there are a lot of different opinions regarding awards, but awards given at events should remain at the tournament director’s discretion. Regarding the cost of prizes/entry fees: Yes, medals generally cost less than trophies. Trophies are cheaper than cash prizes. A circuit sanctioned event can easily profitably be run with trophies as prizes. I don’t think reducing entry fees from $25 to $15 will have a significant impact on attendance. If you are an armwrestler and you really want to compete at an event, the $10 won’t make a difference. If we were speaking of $200 versus $20, then I would agree, but we’re talking small potatoes. How many other sports can you compete in, or spectate, for $25. Very few. There are several people in Ontario who think entry fees should be raised, rather than dropped. Regarding alternate tournament formats (triple elimination, round robins, etc.): These events are a lot of fun to compete in, but they can take a long time to run. Tournament length is already a common complaint. I think these events should continue to be held, but I don’t know that they should become the norm for circuit sanctioned events. |
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Post by Eric Roussin on Jan 20, 2012 12:05:54 GMT -5
Joey -- It would be best if you could post using your own account. If you've forgotten your login or password, please send me an email (eroussin@rogers.com).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2012 16:09:09 GMT -5
Regarding standardized awards: I personally like award variety: trophies, medals, unique prizes, cash. I sort of like not knowing what the prizes will look like until I get to the event (unless it’s cash). I know there are a lot of different opinions regarding awards, but awards given at events should remain at the tournament director’s discretion.
Just a thought I had to standardize for circuit tournaments to ease the cost to promoters. If they know they have to use a certain medallion, the pressure is off cause everyone knows what to expect. Money could then be spent on either cash awards or prizes. Just a thought.
Regarding the cost of prizes/entry fees: Yes, medals generally cost less than trophies. Trophies are cheaper than cash prizes. A circuit sanctioned event can easily profitably be run with trophies as prizes. I don’t think reducing entry fees from $25 to $15 will have a significant impact on attendance. If you are an armwrestler and you really want to compete at an event, the $10 won’t make a difference. If we were speaking of $200 versus $20, then I would agree, but we’re talking small potatoes. How many other sports can you compete in, or spectate, for $25. Very few. There are several people in Ontario who think entry fees should be raised, rather than dropped.This is something I have heard over and over. I agree Eric I have no issue with what it is, but I have heard some who it is not so easy for. What with food, drink and the whole day together. Promoters want money spent at the venue, but sometimes even I have found some of the prices outrageous. Especially since alot of the places would be empty but for the pullers and family. |
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Post by Eric Roussin on Jan 20, 2012 16:29:55 GMT -5
I'm not sure if you're aware, but Joey also had the idea about the standardized medals for Nationals. Going forward, standardized medals will be awarded at Nationals, unless the promoter wants to give larger prizes. There was definitely a need to address the costs of running Nationals.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2012 16:36:14 GMT -5
No I was not aware, but definitely along the lines of what I was thinking even for circuit events and possibly fairs. Its not easy to find decent "armwrestling" style items. If the OAA were to have a standard medal made, (it could be a really cool one" that could be purchased in bulk, reducing cost it could be available to all. Again not saying it is a good idea, LOL, just an idea.
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Post by Hugh Brodie on Jan 20, 2012 16:41:33 GMT -5
I agree with Jay - bring back the CarrotFest! It's too bad rain interfered with the later stages of the last one (in 2010, I think). (I had been eliminated long before.)
Spectators/participants can say "Use two tables", but then there is the expense of more refs (unless you can find volunteers), and possible lack of space. A small fair event should be able to run quickly on one table (in addition to the obligatory "practice table" - which should be mandatory at all events)
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Post by Jake Charles on Jan 21, 2012 13:08:26 GMT -5
I thought this was kinda interesting.. Yesterday on OLN the tv network I watched a show about beard growing.. They have provincials, nationals, and worlds for the best beard growers.. if they can get that on tv why can't Armwrestling be in tv? I think Armwrestling is more interesting than bears growing lol
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Post by Jeff Kaye on Jan 21, 2012 14:07:25 GMT -5
I agree Jake , I watched the world championship of pingpong on tsn, and the winner won $40.000, and not one competitor left without at least $2500.... Unreal!!!!!
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Money + Idiot = Idiot with Money not necessarily successful. I know lots of people personally, with more money than Robert could dream of, but you would never know it to meet them. Dont know Robert personally but my First Impression, supported by his ACTIONS, dont give me good flavour.
