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Post by Pierre Madison on May 1, 2012 13:12:09 GMT -5
and jeff even if u beat tom it does not mean ull be ranked higher then me
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Post by Jay Riehle on May 1, 2012 13:13:20 GMT -5
Janet doesn't want Barb's rank. Barb is undoubtedly the best pound for pound female armwrestler Ontario if not Canada's ever seen and should be ranked as so in a Ontario Women's Open Ranking. However if you were to split the weight classes into 143lbs/143lbs + then perhaps you could start an arguement. Such an argument would not even be valid at this point in time as both competitors are tending to injuryies as Chris has previously stated. The win Janet has over Barb is no more then a feather in her cap so to speak. Barb and Janet are good friends on and off the table. Janet is not out to dethrone Barb as #1 as in our eyes Barb will always be #1 PERIOD!!! It's just the way it is.
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on May 1, 2012 13:46:18 GMT -5
Janet doesn't want Barb's rank. Barb is undoubtedly the best pound for pound female armwrestler Ontario if not Canada's ever seen and should be ranked as so in a Ontario Women's Open Ranking. However if you were to split the weight classes into 143lbs/143lbs + then perhaps you could start an arguement. Such an argument would not even be valid at this point in time as both competitors are tending to injuryies as Chris has previously stated. The win Janet has over Barb is no more then a feather in her cap so to speak. Barb and Janet are good friends on and off the table. Janet is not out to dethrone Barb as #1 as in our eyes Barb will always be #1 PERIOD!!! It's just the way it is. I was under the impression that when you beat someone you take their rank...is that not how it is supposed to be? On the same note, Crazy George has beaten Anthony maybe 16 times out of 20...why is Anthony ranked higher than George? I'm just trying to understand how that works... |
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on May 1, 2012 13:48:00 GMT -5
Janet just beat Barb in the last tourny, why didn't she take her ranking as 1st? I had information that Barb was hurt, and pulled as a favor to promoter. When watching that video in comparison to the MGC video (when barb beat her fairly easily), It made sense to me. You can obviously make the argument that if Barb decides to compete regardless of the relevancy of the event, she should be accountable if she losses. This is valid and could be justified. However, when considering the outside factors and previous results I felt de-throwning The #1 was not in the best interest of accuracy. Ah ok...thanks for the explanation. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2012 14:07:11 GMT -5
Bilal, 95% of the time when you beat someone immediately ahead of you, you will take the ranking.
The rankings are about accuracy and objectivity. 95% of the time (approximately) sheer results drive this machine. However, every once and a while other variable must be taken into consideration. If puller A beats puller B, puller B beats C & C beats A. Who should be ranked higher? Not always black and white.
Yes, George has a better record vs Anthony. But the last 2 matches went in favor of Anthony (at an elite event). Head to head in a boxing match, if boxer A (champion) has a 10-0 record vs boxer B, but boxer B wins the last bout, doesn't boxer B get title and belt? Generally speaking its our most recent performances that we stand judgement for.
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Post by Eric Roussin on May 1, 2012 14:12:28 GMT -5
I'm not even sure that George has a better record against Anthony:
I'm aware of these wins that George has over Anthony:
Twice at the 2004 Nationals
Twice at the 2007 Nationals
I'm aware of these wins that Anthony has over George:
Once at the 2006 MGC
Twice at the 2008 Nationals
Once (Twice?) at the 2010 MGC
Once (Twice?) at the 2011 Nationals
Have they met on any other occasions?
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Post by Rob Hancock on May 1, 2012 15:21:40 GMT -5
Phil beat my right at Provincials last year and again last month at the MGC.
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Post by Joey Costello on May 1, 2012 16:04:30 GMT -5
Bilal, 95% of the time when you beat someone immediately ahead of you, you will take the ranking. The rankings are about accuracy and objectivity. 95% of the time (approximately) sheer results drive this machine. However, every once and a while other variable must be taken into consideration. If puller A beats puller B, puller B beats C & C beats A. Who should be ranked higher? Not always black and white. So tell me what variables did you consider when you moved Brad Wade to 4th left and right.. He has pulled only once in about 2 years, placed 6th in the left and 8th in the right. Does it only take 1 tournament to go from last to 4th or is this based on past performances? |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2012 17:25:04 GMT -5
When was brad last? He was inactive. Frequency of pulling only comes into play as a "tie breaker". Before he left the sport he was a MGC PRO 1st place finisher/top Canadian PRO puller. Yes, he is rusty but would still beat pullers behind him in rankings. It is unfortunate because the likely hood he keeps pulling this year is remote. But he is now technically active and will be judged as so.
Was he beaten at MGC by anyone ranked after him? No.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2012 17:29:40 GMT -5
He was ranked accurately in conjunction with his performance at MGC.
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Post by Maksim Khodau on May 1, 2012 19:21:46 GMT -5
Joey could arguably be ahead of Brad (one win over Joel at Mark's event this month?). However I do see your point Chris, Brad did win the MGC the last time he was out... Yes, these rankings are a tough job to do...
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2012 19:28:41 GMT -5
Very true Maksim. But I beleive joel pulled 2 classes to joeys 1 as well.
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Post by G Ronald on May 1, 2012 21:36:09 GMT -5
i take only top 10 in prescott so if jeff beats tom in june and he gets ranked after that its a go but if tom smith wins i want him WTF you think your that d**n good quote *only top ten* kiss my ass if i want you on the table for your ranking u better except it unless your dieing if not your a coward chicken shit not to mention window licker ....with that said did i read your post wrong if so please by all f**k**g means CORRECT ME ? |
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Post by Eric Roussin on May 1, 2012 21:47:51 GMT -5
Supermatches between two competitors who are in the same weight class will always include a higher and lower ranked puller. Although I undertand the desire to want to challenge a higher ranked puller, it's also important for higher ranked pullers to be open to accepting challenges from lower ranked pullers. It's the only way supermatches can work.
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Post by G Ronald on May 1, 2012 21:57:04 GMT -5
Thanks Eric your way of words are perhaps alot better then my first choice of words !
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