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Post by Eric Roussin on Feb 7, 2014 23:11:38 GMT -5
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Post by Dr. Dixon Glory on Feb 15, 2014 12:35:17 GMT -5
Hi Eric,
I didn't see Denis Cyplenkov in the list.!
Dixon
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Post by Jay Riehle on Feb 15, 2014 15:12:33 GMT -5
Awesome article once again Eric. Cleve's succcess in the left hand division is astonishing!!! I wish I could have had the pleasure of meeting the gentle giant before his passing. A true legend of the sport!!! Really cool how Canadians ruled the left handed world for so many years. Steve Morneau, any relation to Josee??
A tournament on the Queen Mary would have been an incredible experience!!.
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Post by Jay Riehle on Feb 15, 2014 15:23:24 GMT -5
Dr. Glory, imo Denis has yet to solidify his #1 spot amongst the left handed division. He has indeed proved he is up there (top 4) with the best in the world and as he evolves will no doubt create problems for any armwrestler looking for the top spot. Denis has achieved great feats just not consecutively enough to secure #1. I know that a match up has got to be in the works between him and Devon, its inevitable.
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Post by Eric Roussin on Feb 15, 2014 20:23:35 GMT -5
Dixon: Denis Cyplenkov has been, and still is, considered by many as the best left-handed puller on the planet. However, going by rankings protocols, he has not yet earned the top spot by either beating the #1 ranked guy or by winning an event in which the #1 guy was competing.
In late 2009, Engin moved Denis into the top spot in the World Rankings. He really did seem to be the top guy at that point in time, but he hadn't beaten Travis yet, and Travis hadn't lost an event.
Jay: Steve Morneau is not related to Josée. After retiring from armwrestling, he went on to competitive bodybuilding and had success in that sport as well. His son has competed in a few local armwrestling tournaments in recent years. (They live just across the river from Ottawa in Gatineau).
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Post by Dr. Dixon Glory on Feb 16, 2014 7:03:12 GMT -5
Thank you very much Jay and Eric for your responses. I did not understand the ranking protocol clearly. Can you please give the exact rules?
As far as I heard John Brzenk has wins over Travis in left hand while he is shown as number one. No disrespect to Travis' s unquestionable talents. 2006 to 2010 Travis was not in many big matches. What is the criteria for considering someone as inactive?
In 2011 Nemiroff Travis came third in +95 class. (Pushkar 2nd and Denis 1st). Pushkar was 1st in open class only. Again, for choosing number 1 why Open Class champion was considered instead of the winner of weight class +95kg?
Dixon
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Post by Eric Roussin on Feb 16, 2014 13:53:31 GMT -5
The logic I followed is included at the top of the article.
In which event has John Brzenk finished ahead of Travis when Travis was ranked #1?
As for selecting Andrey instead of Denis at 2011 Nemiroff, it's because the Open title is what is most valued at this event. Overalls held at many other events don't count for much and are done just for fun. But at this event, the open class title is very prestigious.
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Post by Dr. Dixon Glory on Feb 16, 2014 15:29:06 GMT -5
The logic I followed is included at the top of the article. In which event has John Brzenk finished ahead of Travis when Travis was ranked #1? As for selecting Andrey instead of Denis at 2011 Nemiroff, it's because the Open title is what is most valued at this event. Overalls held at many other events don't count for much and are done just for fun. But at this event, the open class title is very prestigious. About John's win over Travis I cannot answer when was that. May be I had a confusion of right handed match with left handed match. From AW fan's perspective, the list is not complete without Denis, in my opinion. That is the point of debate. In 2005 MGC Sylvain and Devon defeat Travis, but Earl Wilson becomes number one by winning the weight class. I wonder why the same logic is not applied for 2011 Nemirroff and Denis ? Take care, Dixon |
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Post by Eric Roussin on Feb 16, 2014 20:53:58 GMT -5
At Nemiroff, pullers have been known to save themselves for the overall. Andrey laid down to Denis in at least one of their matches with Denis in the 95+ kg category in 2011. But then he beat him twice in the open (overalls) - the category whose title has the most prestige. If there was no open class at Nemiroff, we wouldn't have seen Andrey lay down to Denis, and if Andrey would have lost, Denis would have gained the ranking.
This is the logic I used, but I agree that it isn't perfect.
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Post by Dr. Dixon Glory on Feb 17, 2014 11:46:11 GMT -5
At Nemiroff, pullers have been known to save themselves for the overall. Andrey laid down to Denis in at least one of their matches with Denis in the 95+ kg category in 2011. But then he beat him twice in the open (overalls) - the category whose title has the most prestige. If there was no open class at Nemiroff, we wouldn't have seen Andrey lay down to Denis, and if Andrey would have lost, Denis would have gained the ranking. This is the logic I used, but I agree that it isn't perfect. I have a suggestion. Please see if it works. Left handed 95+ class finals and the Open class can be considered separate matches almost 1 hour apart. We can say: By winning the +95 class where Travis competed, Denis became number 1, even though it was only for a short period of time. When the open class ended Pushkar defeated Denis and became number 1. Hope it will be interesting. Dixon |
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Post by Guy Windover on Feb 17, 2014 15:12:37 GMT -5
I think that was the logic, then Devon "worked that" on Andre and became #1.
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Post by Mikel Gould on Feb 17, 2014 16:48:15 GMT -5
Ok, My concern is not with dennis or devon. But in 1999 Eric woelfel was the man to beat in the left handed world. And i beat him twice at the worlds in 1999 to take that spot from him. I dont think it mentioned that. Or at least not in capital letters and underlined in red.
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Post by Eric Roussin on Feb 17, 2014 20:23:47 GMT -5
In North America, Eric Woelfel was the man to beat in the late ‘90s. He was possibly the best in the world when you beat him in 1999. The problem is that the world ranking would have moved to Europe in when Alan Karaev beat Eric Woelfel at the 1997 Worlds. The ranking then would have switched hands a few times between Europeans, because as far as I know, the top North Americans didn’t face them during those years. This was one of the consequences of the WAF split in 1998.
This timeline is not a list of who I thought was the best from each year, but instead how I think the #1 ranking would have changed hands. The two aren’t necessarily the same.
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Post by Mikel Gould on Feb 18, 2014 6:34:54 GMT -5
Thanks Eric, Appreciate the clarification. Its a very well written article. Keep up the good work.
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Post by John Milne on Feb 18, 2014 18:51:50 GMT -5
Note
When Mike effing Gould politely suggests something to you, you best d**n well take notice and give him the proper answer.
It was nice knowing you Eric.
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