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Post by Steve Noonan on Apr 16, 2011 19:16:34 GMT -5
by the showing at SOAC today Eric I will say yes it is broken and maybe there are too many events.
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Post by Joe Gould on Apr 17, 2011 8:17:27 GMT -5
I have many opinions on this.
Mapquest Ottawa to Woodstock. 6 hours 36 minutes. I have not seen the results, but from the comments, the SOAC had a small turn out. This reflects that there was not enough incentive for (very many) to travel 6.5 plus hours. Some must have though?
The Eastern Ontario Championships had 91 entries. A success, but by no means a huge success. I suspect the amount of East pullers who attended the SOAC is equal to the South pullers who attended the EOAC.
Also, the EOAC was in Kingston. MAPQUEST - Woodstock to Kingston, 4 hours, 19 minutes.
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Post by Joel Goodsell on Apr 17, 2011 10:28:22 GMT -5
Ottawa dosent always go because of the distance..its a long long drive..i didnt go because i couldnt aford to go..hell im goin to be pulling money out of my ass just to be able to pay the gas to go to the melter...i would like to see a list of everyone who competed this year and see how many tounreys they went to. and jeff i told you before the only reason i dont go to your tourneys is because it is way to far for me and alot of the guys in this area...i know for myself i just cant aford it at this time...i think its important to go to as many as you can but come on..lay off
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Post by Stefan Straub on Apr 17, 2011 10:58:49 GMT -5
Love it! and what Joel said makes a lot of sense. I am quite partial in this decision. Personally there is no way in hell I was going to drive to Woodstock, and its only a 4ish hour drive from ptbo, that might of had something with the 5 exams I have but whatever. So I can see how people from the Ottawa region wouldn't go. And for the comments being directed towards the HHs, it should be motivational to beat these guys, not slander them.. All I know it this May Armmelter is going to be HUGE! |
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Post by Rob Hancock on Apr 17, 2011 11:48:35 GMT -5
There were tournaments every weekend (sometimes 2 or 3) when I started pulling. More is better if the tournament directors can survive on fewer entries. A tournaments entries have nothing to do with the population of the city, or Toronto would be armwrestling central. I'm all for am classes but the problem is there are no rules governing them. I see way too many pros with provincial, national and even world titles pulling am classes (shame on all of you)! Smaller tournaments should be used to get new blood into the sport and advertise larger events. This is where new pullers join the OAA and find out where the future events will be. There was no internet when I started. Let's remember that many of these smaller events are used as fundraisers for larger events like Mark Zalepa is having this fall.
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Post by Jerry Milne on Apr 17, 2011 12:17:48 GMT -5
Rob, there aren't many pro tourneys to enter. To be a pro tourney , it should offer money, correct? The Mike Gould Classic had cash payouts making it a pro tourney with also an amateur portion.
I didn't see many pro's with provincial, national or world titles pulling in the amateur classes.
If an ontario puller has a provincial, national or world title, they should be able to pull in any tournament (exception of novice class as Guy WIndover's tourney) if a tournament does not offer money.
Because they are the quality that they are, without a cash payout (thus making it a pro tourney) does that mean that the top pullers should just stop pulling?
There should be no real catering to new pullers keeping them away from top quality pullers, again unless you make a true novice class as Guy Windover did at the COA's. Take your lumps, give some back to others. If the only reason a puller enters a tourney is to have an easy ride at the start of their career, then they will not last long. Everyone loses, and loses a lot when they start , as it should be.
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Post by John Milne on Apr 17, 2011 15:22:22 GMT -5
There were tournaments every weekend (sometimes 2 or 3) when I started pulling. More is better if the tournament directors can survive on fewer entries. A tournaments entries have nothing to do with the population of the city, or Toronto would be armwrestling central. I'm all for am classes but the problem is there are no rules governing them. I see way too many pros with provincial, national and even world titles pulling am classes (shame on all of you)! Smaller tournaments should be used to get new blood into the sport and advertise larger events. This is where new pullers join the OAA and find out where the future events will be. There was no internet when I started. Let's remember that many of these smaller events are used as fundraisers for larger events like Mark Zalepa is having this fall. Well said Rob |
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Post by Eric Roussin on Apr 21, 2011 9:26:35 GMT -5
I've just returned from a week-long vacation and am catching up on everything. I think solely based on the attendance at the Southern Ontario's, we can't say there is anything wrong with the number of events. This year's Southern Ontario's had a stronger attendance than in 2008 and 2009. 2010 had more, but that event also had the super-heavyweight round robin, which added considerably to the event's draw.
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Post by Ashley Maher on Apr 23, 2011 9:03:31 GMT -5
Nice board
I'm a little afraid to post on this topic because I don't want to get beat up or ganged up on but here it goes. (as I type with just one hand)
To answer the original question from Eric,
No there can't be to many tournaments in all, but yes to many tournaments in one area.
If you don't understand please don't attack me.
I looked at the results page and counted the tournaments in each area. On the first page only there were 3 tournaments from QUE, 3 from the South, 3 from the West, 1 from the North and 9 from the East.
This may not be a good indication but to me the sport is thriving in the East and not doing so well everywhere else.
I can understand the comments posted just above mine but I cannot understand why the moderators are leaving them there.
To sum up I think that 16 tournaments in Ontario is great because it gives more opportunity for people to attend events best suited for them, but spread the tournaments out. more promotion is needed in the other 3 areas of Ontario.
JMO
Ashley
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Post by Bill Cameron on Apr 23, 2011 9:39:47 GMT -5
wow this getin intence man i like it the way i look at is i will drive anywhere any time if i can its all about how much you love the sport and i think its the same for most guys so why bitch about it and let it get this out of hand if you dont think there is enough comps in your area then have more if pep can show up they will JMO
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Post by Joe Gould on Apr 23, 2011 9:45:44 GMT -5
Well said Bill. It's just that simple.
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Post by Eric Roussin on Apr 23, 2011 10:30:00 GMT -5
I agree that more tournaments are required in different parts of the province. I do not agree that there are two many events in the east. The problem is not enough people are stepping up to put on events in the other regions.
For example, in southern Ontario and the GTA, Mark Zalepa is the only person regularly putting on events. In 2009, I actually drove to Brampton from Ottawa to put on an event, because it was important to me that the circuit tournaments be well distributed. However, it's not realistic to expect promoters to travel such distances on an ongoing basis.
I've always encouraged people to put on events, but few are stepping forward. If anyone is interested but needs help, please contact me or get in touch with any of the other promoters. In my experience, putting on a tournament really isn't that much work and can be a lot of fun.
I definitely think there's room for growth west of Toronto as well as in the GTA itself. If one or two people wanted to run two or three events per year each, it would help improve the balance across the province. One of the most important things in my opinion is selecting a date way ahead in advance (more important for bigger events) to help guarantee the best possible attendance. It would be best to check with me as I may be aware of other tournaments coming down the pipe.
Also, it's important to note that there are other smaller events that occur, it's just that they aren't publicized much on the board. For example, Paddyfest in Listowel and events up north by Jeff Kaye, Tanya Morrissette, John Osieki, and others.
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Post by Jay Riehle on Apr 25, 2011 19:47:12 GMT -5
Oh yeah I almost forgot lol........I think the number of Tourneys on the curcuit are perfect & as for the regular sanctioned tourneys, the more the merrier!!!! If armwrestling is involved count me in!!!!
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Post by Eric Roussin on Apr 26, 2011 14:17:34 GMT -5
Nothing has been deleted -- just moved to Off-Topic (Non-Armwrestling Discussion).
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