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Post by Ryan Charles on Nov 8, 2011 19:18:05 GMT -5
Gotta admit I was really excited about this round robin. Not so much now with the MLA rules being set in place.
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Post by John Milne on Nov 8, 2011 19:33:55 GMT -5
Gotta admit I was really excited about this round robin. Not so much now with the MLA rules being set in place. Really? Why? |
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Post by Ryan Charles on Nov 8, 2011 19:52:09 GMT -5
Because John, I feel it's an unfair advantage in favor of a hooker against a top roller. I believe matches should be set up square and straight with the table. It's much easier to be carved-in right off the bat starting on an angle. JMO anyways.
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Post by John Milne on Nov 8, 2011 20:02:00 GMT -5
Because John, I feel it's an unfair advantage in favor of a hooker against a top roller. I believe matches should be set up square and straight with the table. It's much easier to be carved-in right off the bat starting on an angle. JMO anyways. Actually that is EXACTLY what I told Ian. I feel the same way. To me this seems extremely obvious that it favors hookers. I am (primarily) a hooker and I really hate this setup. It would be instant death vs. Wild Bill or a Revelstoke type of puller as well. NOBODY is going to get out of underneath these shoulder pressers. I believe they will dominate MLA events. |
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Post by Ryan Charles on Nov 8, 2011 20:17:37 GMT -5
I see no reason to change the WAF rules of start up. I have a hard enough time with them as it is lol
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Post by Jerry Milne on Nov 8, 2011 20:21:01 GMT -5
Where can one find these new MLA rules?
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Post by Grippler on Nov 8, 2011 20:41:34 GMT -5
Thanks guy's for the feed back I feel staggered pads set ups with natural alignment of the arm makes sense. Not sure where it got out that I would allow carving wrists but straight wrist is the standard as well.
I personally have an issue with watching 60 to 70 percent of matches ending in ether an elbow infraction or a fast high hitting outside move where the match is over in a second.
Professional sports however awesome people think it is and exciting it may be. You selling a product the athlete is the product and the sport must be relevant and entertaining to be purchased. I feel armwrestling the way it is right now is not suitable for the Proverbial "PROVERBIAL NEXT LEVEL" The consumer is what I'm after. people who have not seen professional armwrestling at an elite level where endurance, strength, speed, technique, and yes a CHARISMATIC is what I believe will be "THE HOOK" LOL that drives the entertainment value.
In addition MLA round robin is free of charge to enter and we are paying professionals to be professionals a well rounded athlete who can pull anywhere any style will most likely be the pullers who will be aired on T.V and yes T.V is coming to MLA events sooner than expected. So those of you who have an open mind and are willing to go to war and earn your money you are more than welcome to go and get it.
In addition I would like to point out that there is nothing wrong with WAF rules like armature and professional boxing it has a major role to play.
If I had 1 complaint with WAF tables it would be that if straight arms across the table is what is best for the sport than return the pads straight across from each other. STRAIGHT PADS STRAIGHT ARMS STAGGERED PADS STAGGERED ARMS.
MLA setup is not set in stone however this is a pilot event designed to see if certain things workout or not and change things where there needs to be changes.
I have said my piece I feel it is for the betterment of our sport as it relates to professional armwrestling.
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Post by Steve Murray on Nov 8, 2011 23:25:18 GMT -5
i will enter the round robin and test the mla rules. for sure. looking forward to eeing everyone there
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2011 6:20:12 GMT -5
So on the basis of your above explanation, I am going to play devils advocate here for a second. First off I whole heartedly hope success reigns down on the MLA, so lets get that straight from the start. I do realize there are things to iron out, but it does seem like it will take time. If we follow your above logic, then the UFC should cancel the stand up portion of there event. This would take out the boring circling that opponents do and the stupid quick knockouts that can happen. All matches start on the ground and will favour those with a much better ground game. Quick hard strickers will have to shelve their stand up game in favour of improving their ground game or get out of the sport. Cause no one wants to see a quick knockout?  ? In all honesty I LOVE watching Allen Ford demolish much bigger and stronger opponents in a flash!!!! This is what equals the playing field IMO. Variety is the spice to life and I personally like watching all different types of matches not just the hook matches. I love how styles make battles, hookers, toprollers, pressers and such. To single one type out IMO will get monotonous to watch and eventually it will be same old same old. Did anyone not enjoy seeing Allen flash Eric, (no disrespect meant to Eric), right after John and Eric battled? I certainly remember the crowd OOOOOOOOOOOhHHHHHHing when it happened. Ian you and I have differing of opinions on this matter and my understanding is that it has ALOT to do with our preffered style of pulling. Thats really what it boils down to. Is one any better than the other? I dont believe so, it has more to do with body styles and the way in which your body is adapted to pull. I want to add more hook to my game but I will never be a hooker, my body style will not allow it. My preffered game will always be outside, side pressure, cup. I have less injury this way. Finally none of this is meant in any way to disrespect, complain, or detract what you are trying to do. I am attending the Westerns and if I could get to 154, or a challenge match I would do it. I just love to armwrestle and dont like politics. Just trying to show a different perspective. Good Luck. |
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Post by Grippler on Nov 9, 2011 7:48:58 GMT -5
Guy I can't argue with anything that you just said so I won't. Thankyou for the feedback. Point to note the red line was taken out of hockey to allow the stretch pass for breakaways.. It did get boring to watch a thousand passes up the middle that were missed. A few years latter the rule remains and the pass is utilized much more efficently.
I truly think that a good Toproller will still be a good Toproller in MLA I am trying to eliminate that wrist kick back that seems to happen to get wrist straight in the setup. Guy even you spoke of thing last weekend. In addition I would like everyone to take a seconed to reflec on one glarring reaccuring topic that keeps coming up that I'm this hook guy who wants to press? Check back in my armwrestling history shit Guy watch your own video and tell me how many hook matches I did. 2 1 we started hook and 2 Dan forced me hook. My match with Greg B-Greg forced me hook. With Dan Kadlec first match was backpressure high hook that he was able to turn me in and I tried to milk his powe. Rick H I canonot Toproll but believe it or not for me to beat him I hit up firt like a toproll and shoot side imediatly. I have a good enough Hook but I am not a hooker the Toproll should be used if you can apply it But like Eric found out with John you can't aleays Toproll a guy. Good thing eric is a great well rounded puller or that match with John would not of been so epic.
I don't have all the answers but I'm willing to try something new. Hopefully guy's come in with an open mind to try something new as well. Oh and Guy I could use your help with the camera work as well LOL you camera is beastly I'll bring an external harddrive.
Guy I would love for you to have a supermatch I will set you up with an opponent of your choosing provided they agree. Take care and thanks again for the feed back your a good man.
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Post by Grippler on Nov 9, 2011 7:52:36 GMT -5
I know Phil Lauzon is a hooker and you stated you wanted a rematch? but there are other guys too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2011 8:05:03 GMT -5
I'm always game for a supermatch!!! I just love to pull. But I also know when I have a chance and when I dont. I was not just calling you a HOOK guy, but your previous post stated plainly that you believe the HOOK is where its at??? Or am I missing something??? We did talk on the weekend, and I stated plainly that the majority of your setup the way you are seeing it will favour Hook-Press pulling, as John stated above. It is naive to say "a good toproller should be able to toproll anyway" Set it up square and let the best man win.... |
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Post by Eric Roussin on Nov 9, 2011 8:23:51 GMT -5
I, for one, did not enjoy seeing Allen flash Eric.
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Post by Grippler on Nov 9, 2011 9:16:11 GMT -5
Again I may be wrong but I feel its worth a try and I'm willing to pay to see if it does work or not.
I think Dan Kadlec would still of won the 242 class if it had been a MLA event as wel. actually I feel the setup would suite him greatly. But i'm sure people won't agree but hey thats why the world is the way it is we don't all see eye to eye. But 1 thing is for sure armwrestling has been around since men had arms. To the core kids love armwrestling I vaulenteer some friday nights and donated a table to a youth center called the grind about 15 kids first night killing themselfs to get on the one table. I need another one for them. The point is most of us who love sports get the love through play when were young. I armwrestled in my highschool wining first place overall really hopeing to continue in the sport but there wasn't anything that I had heard of available. I hope through the MLA and the event on the 10th of DEC which should be confirmed today that has a major backing and support of a major player who I will introduce once things are confirmed at our meeting. Ironically on the evening of the 26th so i will have to leave around 5pm or so. But he has many media and sponsership connections and he is prety well off himself.
So in closeing I would like to point out that I am a driven person by love and passion for the sport and the members that participate in it. I won't drive a wedge into what people belive is right or wrong for the sport I just ask for you and others to be fair. If you support it then come and pull my events if not then thats ok too. I just ask that people give it a chance and if you can't then try to keep the negitive remarks about something that I have put hundreds of hours into and over 6 thousand dollars invested in trying to get Armwrestling in the spot light. If the goal is to let me know that there are people that don't like the setup than."HEARD UNDERSTOOD and ACKNOWELEGED" also know as HUA! lol
My best freind has advised me against this setup he has made it clear to me and now to everyone on the board. So HUA now for those of you willing to try something new and perhaps eather aid in the implementation of the new rule before it goes on T.V or assit in it's removal. All i ask is that you try your best if you decide to compete in the MLA.
Thanks again everyone for there feed back it is appreciated.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2011 10:14:47 GMT -5
If the ultimate goal is to seek (non aw ing) viewers and t.v rights, it's NOT about right or wrong or maintaining the integrity of the sport. It's about business. Look at Neil Pickup and armwars, he has reached out and maintained more t.v viewers and live spectators than any other promoter ever... And his philosophy on rules is parallel to the MLA's. Keep up the good work Ian. If the sport ever explodes to the mainstream audience, it won't be due to small armed, finger climbing top rollers.
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