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Post by silverback on Mar 10, 2012 23:15:44 GMT -5
Just thought I'd try a poll before talking to executives about this. I'm simply tired of people who intentionally lift their elbows in a losing position so the match can restart therefore having a second chance at the battle. Shouldn't lifting your elbow in a losing position be the same as slipping in a losing position? What do you guys think?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2012 23:54:03 GMT -5
Anytime a rule states "in a losing position", it rely's on the refs discretion. U wanna fix this (and I agree it's an issue that should be resolved), it's simple, it's called a running foul. Neil pickup has got it right.
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Post by Rej Allain on Mar 11, 2012 0:26:22 GMT -5
Anytime a rule states "in a losing position", it rely's on the refs discretion. U wanna fix this (and I agree it's an issue that should be resolved), it's simple, it's called a running foul. Neil pickup has got it right. I agree 100%! |
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Post by Rick Pinkney on Mar 11, 2012 7:19:09 GMT -5
An elbow foul in losing position is already a loss as is any other foul in losing position.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2012 11:24:07 GMT -5
An elbow foul in losing position is already a loss as is any other foul in losing position. ... And gets called as a loss about 60% of the time. |
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Post by silverback on Mar 11, 2012 11:54:12 GMT -5
I looked at the canadian rules and I can't find it anywhere. Are there any revised version of the rules?
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Post by silverback on Mar 11, 2012 11:55:39 GMT -5
Whoever voted no speak up and tell us why. Opinions are always welcomed and can sometimes prove to be useful.
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Post by silverback on Mar 11, 2012 12:17:14 GMT -5
Hey Rick I just read the rules again on the canadian web site and and it clearly states that any foul in a losing position is considered a loss. I just hope that referees will implement this rule better than they have in the past. Its tough reffering for sure but there are obvious elbow lifts that are exagerated in a losing position.
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Post by Shea Dickie on Mar 11, 2012 14:36:54 GMT -5
I voted NO!!! I have had the ref's not call my elbow foul more times than not when I've tried that, they usually do a pretty good job any way, If you can lift your elbow and still hold the guy it means he either early started which is hard to detect when there is loading or he just caught you sleeping, and you should'nt compare it to slipping because out of all my strap matches the guy always slipped intentionally, which just makes it more interesting
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Post by Rick Pinkney on Mar 11, 2012 15:20:16 GMT -5
When it comes to elbow fouls it is where the elbow FIRST loses contact with the pad. Many times the elbow comes up a little but many don't notice it until the person is going down especially on a fast hit or the ref was a bit slow to call it.
As for slip-outs, yes that is one call that gets called wrong on many occasions. However you must remember that it must be obvious and intentional. Also if the person can do it properly to make it look like they didn't cause it, they can get away with it most of the time. This is part of being a good armwrestler (note Travis).
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Post by silverback on Mar 11, 2012 19:17:28 GMT -5
Shea I'm strictly talking about the obvious. People who know they don't stand a chance of winning when they're in a losing position. Its for when they lift their elbows straight up to the sky and trust me I have seen it too many times now. The tough ones like when your elbows either slip off or lift off the pad for half a second I can understand. Good feedback guys, keep'em coming.
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Post by Jay Riehle on Mar 14, 2012 7:54:06 GMT -5
Howdy Rick, great to see you on the board. We could definatly use some of your insight with a lot of topics on here. I had a question for you about ref's grip if you don't mind. If 2 competitors step to the table, one person takes their position/grip and doesn't move or flinch, but the other person is fidgiting and refuses to take their grip does this automatically go to ref's grip or is it a foul on the person who refuses to grip up?  Thanks for your time |
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Post by Eric Roussin on Mar 14, 2012 8:36:52 GMT -5
I'm not Rick, but I can answer this question. According to the rules, if one competitor is clearly not making a real attempt to take a grip, he should be given a warning. If he continues to not attempt to take a grip and he's not listening to the referees instructions, this could lead to a foul. The problem is that it's not always clear if only one competitor isn't trying, or if both are messing around. Some pullers are good at doing this in a less obvious manner. This is why more often than not matches ended up going to ref's grip, rather than seeing warnings/fouls given.
I had a match with Mike Selearis in Connecticut two and a half years ago where he was given a warning and then a foul for refusing to grip up with me. He wasn't used to this (he's usually able to get ref's grip), and he wasn't happy about it.
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Post by Joe Gould on Mar 14, 2012 16:44:52 GMT -5
On occasion, I have been toprolled, lost my wrist, brought the match back to center (or beyond) and taken a foul, for a restart. IMO, this is part of the strategy of the sport, at the Worlds/Nat's/OAA level. It's fair, reasonable, and it's a gamble.
A foul in the losing position (bottom third of table) is a loss. A foul at center is not.
I think people don't like when it is obviously intentional, but that is again, IMO, part of the game. Competitors could make there fouls less obviously intentional, but IMO, not needed.
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Thanks for your time