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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Apr 20, 2012 20:32:11 GMT -5
Thanks for the input guys...honestly my hands feel very sore and pumped..I've never had a hand workout like the last 2 days. I'm mostly going to be shoveling, hammering nails, hanging doors, painting rooms, fences and railings, doing a lot of sandpaper work... I was always with John on gym is better than work for strength until I got into arm wrestling...everyone who beats me easily is a laborer....ex. Dan Kadlec, guy windover, action jackson, I can name a shitload more...it seems the missing piece of the puzzle for me in terms of strength is hand and wrist and thats all I am doing in this construction gig. I have a feeling this will make me a much better arm wrestler...I could be wrong, but only time will tell. I'm hoping it will offcourse  |
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Post by John Milne on Apr 20, 2012 21:06:29 GMT -5
Al Ford is not a labourer, neither is Eric Roussin, Devon Larratt, Ian Carnegie, Nicola Gazzetto, Phil Lauzon ..etc etc etc. I'm sure you can find many more. I am a laborer and I can tell you that it hinders my performance and training. You can take that or leave it ( wait, you've already left it). I get work related injuries, strains and stresses that interrupt my recovery. Tennis elbow is common among anyone who swings a hammer (look into that before becoming a blacksmith) link here : www.ourhealthnetwork.com/conditions/hand/TennisElbow.asp I've fallen victim to that as well btw. It's also common to anyone who uses a jackhammer (of at least 60 lbs) on a regular basis as well. Been there too.... Believe what you want. Sanding walls and hanging doors is not even comparable to sports specific training. I can't imagine why I have to explain that. Rick has an excellent point. It will matter what kind of laboring you're doing. Perhaps it will have a very small impact on your performance. I would not rely on labor work to improve Bilal. Btw Dave, George is always telling me how hard he trains with weights. He tells me that nobody works harder than him with WEIGHTS and specific training. NEVER ONCE has he told me that his strength comes from labor work. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 21:27:30 GMT -5
John, I think you are rushing to judgement on bilals new training philosophy. Bilal's "Hammer'n & Shovel'n To Hip Hop Classics 2012" (trademark pending) Might not be his full training regime. If he added some rigorous bowling or darts sessions.... Watch the fu*k out!!!
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Apr 20, 2012 21:43:32 GMT -5
lol.
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Post by Jake Charles on Apr 20, 2012 22:00:53 GMT -5
I think it will pay off in time Bill. I'm sure as John said you will get many small injuries but in the long run your hand will get stronger.. Only table time and weights will give you endurance(tendon strength) and the skill to no what your opponent is going to do on the grip up..etc. how's the wrist comin along?
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Apr 20, 2012 22:03:14 GMT -5
hand is getting stronger - lots of gripper work
wrist - stuff that kade and mike gould are showing me
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Post by Dan Farrow on Apr 20, 2012 22:28:26 GMT -5
Starting IVs, taking ECGs, giving injections & doing CPR does F#@% ALL for hand and wrist strength.
Just my personal experience. But i'm sure most of my apponents would agree.
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Post by Rick Heidebrecht on Apr 20, 2012 22:46:16 GMT -5
Interesting article John, now I officially know what's wrong with my elbow  I didn't get it from swinging a hammer though, it's from ramping up the volume on my armwrestling-specific gym exercises. Just about anything you do to train for armwrestling puts you at a significant risk for injury if you do it frequently and with enough intensity; over-training is a fine line that you try not to cross. The difference is that if you do it for a living you, can't just back off and take it easy when things start to hurt. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 22:49:33 GMT -5
Awesome Dan!! But, please do not discount your entire profession. I'm quite certain that pushing back a large mans protruding hernia will give your thumbs a mean pump.
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Post by Dr. Dixon Glory on Apr 21, 2012 2:43:09 GMT -5
I think it will be very helpful in your armwrestling. your hand stamina and control will increase. By the way how much you earn for one days work Bilal ? Dixon Well I just started so anywhere between 13-15 dollars an hour. 150$ per day is good I think. Please let me add my views [since my self always have a dream to do some construction job in canada and strengthen my hands ]. I have been seeing many many adult patients and elderly patients since last 18years. There are men from poor social classes 60-65yrs age who have amazing grip strength wrist strength and elbow flexion /extension strength. They may not appear with huge arms or forearms. They were/are doing years of manual labour, that too 6days a week. They eat more of a carbohydrate rich diet. I agree with John that armwrestling specific training is not construction. But people do manual labour to make a living. Armwrestling is only a side business for everyone in this earth until now imo. Now there must be a good plan to translate the effects of manual labour to strength gain. Here are my tips : 1. take 3days off after 5 continuous day work at least in the first month. 2. take very high calories in diet. 3. go for armwrestling training only after the body adjusts to the new exertion which may take atleast one month. 4. do armwrestling training after atleast 24-48hrs rest. 5. dont expect gains in the first 5-6months. 6. before a competition, one must take atleast 7days full rest. Dixon. |
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Apr 21, 2012 19:49:29 GMT -5
So here's what I decided:
I'm going to drop heavy lifting and weight lifting for a while, at least a few months. I'm going to work construction, table time once a week, and do purely arm wrestling specific training in the gym twice a week...no weightlifting. Let's see how this goes. Ultimately, I'd like to make the switch from weight lifting to arm wrestling completely.
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Post by Dr. Dixon Glory on Apr 23, 2012 2:10:35 GMT -5
some of our armwrestlers doing manual labour used to tell that they always try to use armwrestling specific wrist and hand /finger positions when ever they have to lift some objects as part of their work. eg. a packet of cement, a bunch of floor tiles .
Dixon
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Post by Jay Riehle on Apr 23, 2012 8:03:05 GMT -5
I don't think the key here Bilal is to drop one completely and switch to the other but rather to transition and integrate the two together. Right now I'm trying to do just that. I'm still hitting my sad excuse for a weight set very hard with heavy heavy weights but at the same time integrating sandbags, tractor tires, bricks, stones etc. all of which George has instructed me is imperative to being strong!!! Not trying to step on your toes here John but this kind of manual labour is what George is all about. Railway beams, heavy logs, Beer kegs, patio stones. This is what has made George into who he is. Not a muscle bound stud but one of the toughest SOB's I know. You ask George he'll tell you..."Your not a man until you can dig a hole and fill it in in one day". And when George is talking "hole" he means grave.
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Post by John Milne on Apr 23, 2012 15:53:01 GMT -5
ok
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2012 16:04:07 GMT -5
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I didn't get it from swinging a hammer though, it's from ramping up the volume on my armwrestling-specific gym exercises. Just about anything you do to train for armwrestling puts you at a significant risk for injury if you do it frequently and with enough intensity; over-training is a fine line that you try not to cross. The difference is that if you do it for a living you, can't just back off and take it easy when things start to hurt.