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Post by Eric Roussin on Apr 18, 2013 21:27:56 GMT -5
So far there isn't much on the agenda for the OAA AGM. Is there anything you would like to see changed with the sport in Ontario? The AGM is a good opportunity to put motions forward. However, it is not the ideal place to debate issues at length, given the short amount of time available. If you have an idea to improve the sport, I encourage you to put your idea forward on this message board so that questions can be asked and the topic can be discussed in advance of the AGM.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2013 4:00:12 GMT -5
I would like to discuss the opportunity to have Armsportvideos cover provincials on a regular basis. Last year it was covered by Rogers and alot of matches were missed. Ian also covered a portion of it and did a great job but I am sure it isnt something he can do on a regular basis. I feel by making Armsport a mainstay at our provincials it will provide a stable taping of the matches for future. If this is something that the OAA can afford and carry I would like to see it implemented.
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Post by Craig Mitchell on Apr 19, 2013 6:22:02 GMT -5
Guy your rich ,U can afford that and pay my fees..lol I told Scott to rent a place here,,Seems hes always in Ontario.
Again if I see a team mate in the first round at an event I will pull an Earl Wilson and start breaking tables.and hopefully its one of guys tables haha.lol I would like to see the 220lb class back,,but wont cry if its not..The Arm Melter's offers it
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Post by Craig Mitchell on Apr 19, 2013 6:22:48 GMT -5
Guy your rich ,U can afford that and pay my fees..lol I told Scott to rent a place here,,Seems hes always in Ontario.
Again if I see a team mate in the first round at an event I will pull an Earl Wilson and start breaking tables.and hopefully its one of guys tables haha.lol I would like to see the 220lb class back,,but wont cry if its not..The Arm Melter's offers it
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Post by John Milne on Apr 19, 2013 11:47:45 GMT -5
I would like to discuss the opportunity to have Armsportvideos cover provincials on a regular basis. Last year it was covered by Rogers and alot of matches were missed. Ian also covered a portion of it and did a great job but I am sure it isnt something he can do on a regular basis. I feel by making Armsport a mainstay at our provincials it will provide a stable taping of the matches for future. If this is something that the OAA can afford and carry I would like to see it implemented. I think this could be a good idea Guy. This is something 10 years from now we'd be glad we did it. It's probably hard to convince the majority that an extra few bucks / tournament is worth it. I'd be all for it but I know how this community has a hard time agreeing on much. Before we vote on something like this, what would that cost? Maybe Mark Z would know a rough estimate. How would it be paid for? We cant force our Provincial promoter to carry the cost can we? I'd like to see this discussed further. As I said Guy, I'm all for it. |
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Post by Craig Mitchell on Apr 19, 2013 13:29:33 GMT -5
I asked Scott to video my event,, U would have to cover his flight,hotel and maybe some bucks for food. you would have to pick him up and drop him off at the airport also..You could save the hotel costs by putting him up at your house and feeding him.. If it was just the flight 400-500 bucks. Im in for having him
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Post by Eric Roussin on Apr 19, 2013 13:46:15 GMT -5
In communicating with Scott, he is open to the idea of committing to filming Provincials through the next election (so 2014 and 2015). The cost would be roughly $750 for each event.
How would this be paid for? I would not be in support of making this a mandatory expense for the Provincials Tournament Director. So it would either require increasing revenue for the OAA, cutting down on current expenses, or some combination of the two.
OAA revenues fluctuate from year to year, but are usually in the range of about $3,500 per year. Of this amount, the bulk goes toward puller incentives and major event sponsorship, while the remainder goes towards offsetting referee clinic costs, Hall of Fame awards, website fees, etc.
Is there anything from the above list that is less important than filming Provincials and should be cut/reduced? Or, would everyone be willing to pay an extra $5-$10 per entry at future Provincials?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2013 14:02:50 GMT -5
We could always sell Craigs car!!!
But seriously, was there not some communication awhile ago about there being a surplus in the OAA account? Or was I dreaming this? I agree it should not be on the promoter. I also don't get some of the incentives. (Does anyone besides Shea even plan on them?) The referee clinics are cancelled as much as they are put on. But I also would be willing to shell out some extra $ to have the event covered if everyone is in agreement.
I just brought this up as an idea. Discussion is good and maybe I am off my tree thinking this could work.
(Oh and Craig if you want I will make you a straight up trade for my minivan!!!)
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Post by Craig Mitchell on Apr 19, 2013 14:03:32 GMT -5
100 entries at 5 bucks =500 10bucks= 1000.Im sure there would be more than 100 entries at the Ontario's. Im in. 5/10 dont matter
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Post by Eric Roussin on Apr 19, 2013 14:18:38 GMT -5
We've always been careful to ensure the OAA never promises more than it can afford, so the account has never been in the red. This being said, we have to come up with a sustainable way to ensure there will be $750 to cover Scott's expenses each year if we are to going to have an agreement. Attendance at circuit events has been down on average over the past year, which has also resulted in less income.
I'd like to hear thoughts from more people on this subject. While I know several people won't object to an extra $5 or $10 per entry at Provincials, I know many people wouldn't be in favour of this. It currently costs $90 to attend Provincials and pull with both arms and this doesn't take into account all of the associated travel expenses. If the cost went up to $100 or $110, I fear it would prevent some pullers from attending. The circuit entry fee went up by $5 this season, and this resulted in a number of complaints.
This is certainly a motion that could be put forward at Provincials.
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Post by Eric Roussin on Apr 19, 2013 14:24:49 GMT -5
As for puller incentives, these were put forward for discussion on the message board before they were introduced. I only heard from a few people, but everyone seemed to be in favour of them. If there is no need for them, they can possibly be removed/changed, but the reason the price of on OAA membership and circuit fees went up in 2010 was specifically because there was support for more puller incentives.
We base decisions on what we think is best for the sport in Ontario and what we hear from members. That's why I encourage people to share their thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2013 14:32:39 GMT -5
Its cool Eric, these are just some of my thoughts. I appreciate your openess to discussing the possibility. The downfall of "The Vote" is sometimes people dont think necessarily on what the ramifications of what they are voting on will have, eg. the raising of the circuit fee. Most people who were complaining probably voted in favour of it.
I did not, and I didnt care one way or the other, but feel MY incentive is my goals and a free entry into Provincials is not going to make me drive to more tournaments, getting better is.
I hope if this does get voted on that all ramifications are made clear and that individuals vote on what is best and not "uh a bunch of people put up their hand so I will too"!
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Post by John Milne on Apr 19, 2013 14:39:55 GMT -5
Would five dollars tagged onto each OAA membership be viable?
I think it would be. If you don't attend provincials you're only out 5 bucks, so it should be no big deal. If you do attend your money is well spent.
Do we have enough OAA members to make enough money for this? Would anyone seriously resist this motion?
To have a record of each Provincial Championship is excellent. It should come at the cost of it's members as well. This is an effective way of doing it imo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2013 15:03:16 GMT -5
I have no issue with this, but to others it might be a hard sell. Some are already stretched and it seems like everyone always wants more. Could a portion be from both? OAA and pullers. The members are already funding this. Could be a simple realocation of funds from some of the incentives that either dont get used or are somewhat pointless anyways. I know some use them but most are not even aware they qualify?
I hope more chime in on this as I would like to here a general feel. Just not sure about raising any more fees?? Great discussion though!!!!
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Post by Eric Roussin on Apr 19, 2013 15:06:01 GMT -5
I hope more chime in on this as I would like to here a general feel. Just not sure about raising any more fees?? Great discussion though!!!! Agreed. I know many Ontario pullers visit this board, so hopefully more people will take part in the discussion. |
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