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Post by Dave Campbell on Sept 13, 2013 4:39:10 GMT -5
I have been informed by the head ref of Canada that there will be some new rules that will take effect emediately.
1- you have 30 seconds to get to the table.
2- you have 30 seconds to get a grip.
3- if BOTH competitors whish to start in the straps or in the reffs grip or both they may, But they both have to agree.
Just thought everyone should know of these changes.
Regards
Dave C
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Post by John Milne on Sept 13, 2013 9:07:44 GMT -5
Thanks Dave
Btw, what do you think of these rules?
I don't like the 30 seconds to refs grip but am good with the others.
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Post by Eric Roussin on Sept 13, 2013 10:06:03 GMT -5
For the 30 seconds to the table rule, in order to be fair it will be important for the scorekeeper to clearly announce when a given class is about to start, as well as how it will be run (e.g. down to the top four, all the way through to the finals, etc.). Announcing the number of competitors in each class helps as well. I think this probably isn't much of an issue at a World Championship, but it may be at smaller events. It sucks to lose a match because you thought it was safe to take a quick bathroom break.
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Post by Maksim Khodau on Sept 13, 2013 12:13:14 GMT -5
I agree Eric, the 30 sec rule to come up to the table will require a lot of diligence from the scorekeepers, announcers...such as announcing in a timely manner who is on deck, etc... This would be a terrible way to loose... I'm ok with the rest... I just hope there will be no video reffing involved at the Nationals or any other events for that reason to detect MICROSCOPIC elbow fouls....I thought this has taken away a lot of excitement from the finals at recent WAF...Zoloev beat his opponent three CLEAN times.... but I enjoyed watching each one of them  |
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Post by John Milne on Sept 13, 2013 16:54:03 GMT -5
As someone who does announcing from time to time I really do not think it matters if you announce "on deck". The ones who take the sport serious will always be ready even if no on deck is called. The ones who show up late for their call are usually the same people.
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Post by Maksim Khodau on Sept 13, 2013 17:11:58 GMT -5
As someone who does announcing from time to time I really do not think it matters if you announce "on deck". The ones who take the sport serious will always be ready even if no on deck is called. The ones who show up late for their call are usually the same people. This is probably true John....but I still would hate to see people loose this way. |
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Post by John Milne on Sept 13, 2013 17:31:31 GMT -5
I agree with you Maksim
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Post by Rick Pinkney on Sept 13, 2013 17:33:53 GMT -5
The 30 secs to the table won't get used at Nationals as sometimes the PA isn't always the best. It is easy to use at Worlds as you see the next few matches coming up and everyone has to be in the bullpen area..
I've used the 30 sec to Ref Grip in the AAA and it speeds things up a lot. People get serious a whole lot quicker. And those that don't - usually another 30 seconds won't help.
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Post by Craig Mitchell on Sept 13, 2013 18:47:48 GMT -5
I like all the new rules .. will speed up tourneys. and if someone misses their match guess they weren't there to arm wrestle.
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New rules
Sept 15, 2013 9:04:04 GMT -5
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Post by Jay Riehle on Sept 15, 2013 9:04:04 GMT -5
I like the new rules being put into place and thank you Dave for keeping us informed. I would however like to see more fouls being given if puller "A" is at the table in good form and ready and the puller "B" is figiting around trying to force a refs grip. It is not puller "A" 's fault that puller "B" doesnt like their grip and in turn forces puller "A" into a less feasable position in the refs grip although they have done absolutely nothing wrong. Far to often I see this being abused and is very unappealing tothe competitors and the spectators.
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Post by John Milne on Sept 15, 2013 10:02:11 GMT -5
I like the new rules being put into place and thank you Dave for keeping us informed. I would however like to see more fouls being given if puller "A" is at the table in good form and ready and the puller "B" is figiting around trying to force a refs grip. It is not puller "A" 's fault that puller "B" doesnt like their grip and in turn forces puller "A" into a less feasable position in the refs grip although they have done absolutely nothing wrong. Far to often I see this being abused and is very unappealing tothe competitors and the spectators. Jay I completely agree with you and think you're 100% correct. However, this rule at it's core needs to be changed. Let me explain. If puller A is the "fair one" and puller B is the "one who's messing around" it's usually clear to see to a ref. However once puller A adjusts from his "fair" grip, he becomes part of the fight as well. Simply put (as the rule was described to me at a ref's clinic) puller A must simply keep his grip until the B puller is warned/fouled etc. On paper this rule looks fine, but as it is sometimes in reality it's not. This part of the rule must be changed to make it better, not necessarily the rule itself. I hope I didn't muddy the waters, I know it's a bit difficult to understand. While we're all at rule changes, this one could be amended as well. Perhaps it's something to put forward if you feel strongly about it. |
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Sept 17, 2013 14:45:08 GMT -5
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Post by Jay Riehle on Sept 17, 2013 14:45:08 GMT -5
I understand, just a tad frustrated I suppose. Thanks John I appreciate you taking the time out of your day.
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Post by John Milne on Sept 17, 2013 17:35:50 GMT -5
I agree it can be frustrating. A ref tends to know who will be difficult to set up and who is not (generally) but must approach each match without bias. Sometimes you just wanna say "take a fair grip you cheatin' s.o.b.!!" but that would probably be the end of reffing for you if you did.  |
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Post by Chantal Leduc on Sept 18, 2013 13:41:55 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this Dave.
In terms of the 30 second rule to get to the table: I just hope the rule sticks for all. Many times have I seen SOME be turned away for not showing up at the table on time and others can take up to 5 minutes. (Provincials is the perfect example of this) That can make a difference of winning or losing a Provincial title. The water gets murky when we see favoritism play itself out or bending the rules for spectatorship.
C.
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Post by Chantal Leduc on Sept 18, 2013 13:44:51 GMT -5
Not pointing the finger at anyone in particular, regarding my last post, as I'm never really sure who's really making the call for no shows or late shows... the refs or the score keeper? I know it should be the refs, but i've seen scorekeepers negotiate whether or not to apply the rule... depends on who's sitting at that table...
C.
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