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Post by Dave Campbell on Oct 7, 2010 18:01:02 GMT -5
On October 23rd at Mark Zalpas tournament in Woodstock we will be using a new start to the matchs. Instead of using the ready-go, we will be using dont move-go.
The CAWF head ref has asked that we try this at one of our tournaments so that he can get some feed back on this. There are other provinces trying it as well.
If you have any Questions on this, post them on here and I will respond, or Eric will, as it was Eric who brought this up at the agm at the Canadians.
If you dont want to ask on the board, than P.M. me.
Regards
Dave C
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2010 20:06:23 GMT -5
Applause applause!!!! This is a step in the right direction IMO. I want to do this at the COAC 2 along with Bob Browns refs grip. Great we are attempting new innovations. Kudos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Mark Zalepa on Oct 7, 2010 20:43:53 GMT -5
Dave inquired if I would be open to having this tried at my tournament and I thought it would be great idea.
During the 8 Women Round Robin it will have to be voted on by the participants. I promised them that any rule change would have to be unamiously passed. Hopefully they are all up for it.
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Post by Pat Mastrangelo on Oct 8, 2010 4:28:10 GMT -5
Well, years ago when we reffed tournaments we always said"don't move, ready go". There was a bit of a pause between the move and ready. This way it would stop all the guys starting to load up and pull you across the table and also catch anyone jumping the go. I don't know what has happened in the past few years were you are able to basically start pulling before the go. We always stayed tight at the centre of the table but were never allowed to start pulling before the go. I do remember the Americans pulled with a huge load at the start and we Canadians had to do that when we went down there. Guess it just made its way up here and for some reason we stopped calling it. Nothing worse than watching two guys pulling before the go is even said. So I guess what I am trying to say is lets go back to the way it was. Just combine the two and I am sure it will even things out at the start.
And while we are on to changing things up a bit, What ever happened to the origional refs grip when we used to grip the hands together at the same time? This I find makes the grip more even. Good luck. Pat M. "PPAW 3"
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Post by Jeff King on Oct 8, 2010 19:07:56 GMT -5
Not to be a $#!* disturber, but what brought about the desire for the change?
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Post by Marcelo Palacios on Oct 11, 2010 12:04:42 GMT -5
I have to say that in my opinion this is the best change in the last few years, it will make the sport more fair for newer pullers, because usually newer guys and girls are waiting to hear the GO, and by the time they hear it, it is 2 late, and also it will clearly show the early starts, Excellent excellent move...
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Post by Ryan Charles on Oct 11, 2010 14:23:45 GMT -5
I agree! This will be interesting to see in action thats for sure. Looking forward to the Woodstock tourny!
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Post by Eric Roussin on Oct 12, 2010 10:45:58 GMT -5
The current ready-go start is intended to have a pause between the two words. The length of the pause is supposed to vary. However, the vast majority of matches are started with very little, if any pause between the two words. I'm sure there are many reasons for this, some of which may include pressure to keep the tournament moving along, difficulty in consciously remembering to vary the pause length, etc. Consequently, most experienced pullers hit prior to hearing "go" because if they don't there is a strong possibility that they will lose the match.
There is also confusion about what "ready" really means. Does it mean "be ready, I'm about to start the match" or does it mean "are you ready?" giving the competitors the chance to say no and delay the match start.
"Don't move" PAUSE "Go" was used at the UAL event in Venice Beach this past July. There seemed to be almost universal preference for this alternate start among those in attendance. After the event, there was a lot of discussion on the Northeast Board about how this could possibly be a good rule change. A number of people from different parts of the world stated that they would be trying the alternate start at their events to see how it works. I also thought it was something that should be explored, so I put in a motion at the CAWF annual general meeting for different provinces to experiment with this command at an event over the next year. By doing this, at the next annual meeting we'll have some first hand accounts of whether or not the new command is better than "ready go". If there is enough support worldwide, a motion could possibly be brought forward at the WAF world congress.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2010 14:00:29 GMT -5
The first question you may be thinking is what is the difference. It has alot to do with the cadence. Readygo can become one word easier than dont move go can. Besides dont move is a command where ready is either a question or a statement. From what I have seen of the UAL tournament there was no confusion and less early starts. It was easier to define who started early as well.
Next on the list is Bob Browns/ Travis refs grip. It as well was easier and faster setup.
Heard about a change possibility in refs grip not allowing the wrapping of the thumb? I am firmly against this!!!
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Post by Dave McEwen on Oct 13, 2010 0:33:41 GMT -5
I thought I was missing something but down at NEC6 I remember the refs. there calliing don't move go in my matches in jan. 08 , Iit really surprised me , but I adjusted for it quickly and never thought about it again . Because they still start with a full load down there and that sucks . Dave McEwen
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Post by Dave Campbell on Oct 13, 2010 4:08:25 GMT -5
Guy, we will not be changing our ref grip anytime soon. Please remember that Marks tournament will be the only tourny we will be using the dont move go start.
Regards
Dave C
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Post by Jason Manjin on Oct 13, 2010 6:59:09 GMT -5
This sounds great, but a waste of time and energy. I love the idea with a pause but it will revert back to the the same as ready-go. Ready-go was intended to have a pause and sometimes it does depending who is reffing.(very rarely) I can see don'tmovego being one word in a couple of years if it is implemented. Ready? -- go with a 2 second pause minimium would stop Guy Windover from early starting as well  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2010 10:46:42 GMT -5
I'm for anything that minimizes Mr Windover's cheating ways.  |
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Oct 13, 2010 12:13:28 GMT -5
I like it
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