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Post by John Milne on Jan 19, 2011 17:28:00 GMT -5
I strongly disagree that farm work is better than sport specific weight workouts.
Specialization is easily done with weights. I'd stick to that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2011 17:44:55 GMT -5
John is 100% correct. There is no substitution to specific, scientific direct application through free weights, cable and focused training partners on the table.
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Jan 19, 2011 18:58:50 GMT -5
I strongly disagree that farm work is better than sport specific weight workouts. Specialization is easily done with weights. I'd stick to that. Agreed 100% |
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Post by Rick Heidebrecht on Jan 19, 2011 22:49:08 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that specialization is easily done with weights... I don't have a gym membership because most of the equipment I use isn't available at a gym. And, while I wouldn't throw out the gym work, I think you guys are under-valuing certain types of manual labour. All else being equal, somebody like a blacksmith would be better conditioned for armwrestling than a traditional weightlifter.
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Post by John Milne on Jan 20, 2011 2:06:26 GMT -5
A traditional weightlifter yes, but not a sports specific weightlifter (in my opinion).
Manual labour is not all it's cracked up to be. I find myself in longer recovery periods from my work most times as it seems to be hard on my joints. If I've got to run a jackhammer, swing a sledge or dig a trench with a pick and shovel it sets back my recovery a noticeable amount. Most times I wish I just worked in a bank and I'd come home with more energy and less soreness.
You do have valid points Rick and I don't mean to sound like I'm arguing we just have a difference of opinion here. A blacksmith could possibly have a better base than a weightlifter but I wouldn't bet on it.
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Post by Dave McEwen on Jan 20, 2011 8:53:58 GMT -5
The original question Bilalask me was what else I did other then table time , any you kind of answered it John , the manual work is extreme ,abuses the tendons , really toughens them , and the work forces you to do it , no matter what , again recovery , you cant do both , you have already had a full workout , the hay was a perfect mimic for table time , twine on your finger tips lifting up and over and exploding as you threw it , hard stress on the tendons with each rep . I also used to turn fence wire with my fingers instead of plyers , it was quicker , and a hell of a finger and wrist workout , your thumb would bleed till you had enough calous , tendons get thicker and stronger untill tear them off , I know , and thats another story
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Jan 20, 2011 12:37:12 GMT -5
The original question Bilalask me was what else I did other then table time , any you kind of answered it John , the manual work is extreme ,abuses the tendons , really toughens them , and the work forces you to do it , no matter what , again recovery , you cant do both , you have already had a full workout , the hay was a perfect mimic for table time , twine on your finger tips lifting up and over and exploding as you threw it , hard stress on the tendons with each rep . I also used to turn fence wire with my fingers instead of plyers , it was quicker , and a hell of a finger and wrist workout , your thumb would bleed till you had enough calous , tendons get thicker and stronger untill tear them off , I know , and thats another story d**n, that's hardcore. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2011 15:12:59 GMT -5
Nope thats life on the farm!!! I miss it.
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Post by John Roberts on Jan 20, 2011 16:33:54 GMT -5
From what I recall Dave had wicked strong hands as well as a good size forearm. There were a few farmers back then that would give fits to some of the top pullers. They did not really practice armwrestling but in those backwoods tournaments that used to go on,alot of these men would come out and shake up the armwrestling community. Carpenters,roofers, bricklayers, and mechanics were the type of guys that caused alot of problems for some seasoned pullers and I would say that if you have a strong hand you are 50% there. Unfortuneately when you work with your hands as well as a manual labour type job the pains from pullin get in the way and most of these guys have to stay away from yankin.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2011 17:05:12 GMT -5
True, manual labour can contribute to aw strength and can make one heck of an amateur puller! It is a old school mentality however. In all performance sports, evolution has come along way in nutrition, supplementation and TRAINING. You can be sure that TOP PRO pullers have a scientific, regimented approach to aw strength gain. And NONE of it revolves around hard daily labour.
Can manual labour help? It can. Is it the ideal way to train to fullfill ur potential?? It is not.
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Jan 20, 2011 19:08:42 GMT -5
True, manual labour can contribute to aw strength and can make one heck of an amateur puller! It is a old school mentality however. In all performance sports, evolution has come along way in nutrition, supplementation and TRAINING. You can be sure that TOP PRO pullers have a scientific, regimented approach to aw strength gain. And NONE of it revolves around hard daily labour. Can manual labour help? It can. Is it the ideal way to train to fullfill ur potential?? It is not. This is a great post. I agree with us. |
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Post by Joey Costello on Jan 20, 2011 19:43:02 GMT -5
Sometimes it's hard to sit back and watch a thread, so I will make my first post on this one.
Manual labor vs weight conditioning.
Sure weights give you a more specific attack on the muscles and tendons that need to focus on but most weight lifting athletes in my opinion don't survive in the sport of Armwrestling as long as an athlete that has conditioned himself through years of labor.
I'm not a farmer but have done it just for the exercise.
I'm a Carpenter and I have used the trade specifically to train my tendons for the sport.
Years and years of training the same tendons have left me virtually uninjured for the past 30 years of armwrestling.
To answer your question:
In my opinion the best way to train your tendons is to exhaust your muscles and then go to the table and pull till you have nothing left.
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Post by Rick Heidebrecht on Jan 20, 2011 22:39:57 GMT -5
Welcome to the board Joey ;D
Chris, by what standard are you saying that training is any better now than 20 or 30 years ago? In that time, raw powerlifting numbers haven't improved, the olympic lifting all-time clean and jerk record was set back in the '80s, and chemicals are the only reason bodybuilders are bigger now than Arnold was back in his prime...
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Jan 20, 2011 23:07:43 GMT -5
Welcome to the board Joey ;D Chris, by what standard are you saying that training is any better now than 20 or 30 years ago? In that time, raw powerlifting numbers haven't improved, the olympic lifting all-time clean and jerk record was set back in the '80s, and chemicals are the only reason bodybuilders are bigger now than Arnold was back in his prime... Arnold used to pop dbols and shoot test like he's going to die tmrw bro, hence the open heart surgery |
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Jan 20, 2011 23:08:18 GMT -5
Sometimes it's hard to sit back and watch a thread, so I will make my first post on this one. Manual labor vs weight conditioning. Sure weights give you a more specific attack on the muscles and tendons that need to focus on but most weight lifting athletes in my opinion don't survive in the sport of Armwrestling as long as an athlete that has conditioned himself through years of labor. I'm not a farmer but have done it just for the exercise. I'm a Carpenter and I have used the trade specifically to train my tendons for the sport. Years and years of training the same tendons have left me virtually uninjured for the past 30 years of armwrestling. To answer your question: In my opinion the best way to train your tendons is to exhaust your muscles and then go to the table and pull till you have nothing left. I love how everyone says weight lifters never last in this sport. I can't wait to prove everyone wrong  |
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