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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2011 16:50:21 GMT -5
Okay bilal... Aw and powerlifting.... Explosive power sports in which "fast twitch" muscle fibers are in huge demand. Much like... 100 meter sprinting, Where 9-10 lining up on the starting line are black. Need a better argument... Very possibly the best lightweight aw of all time - Dave Hicks(black). Very possibly best ever light heavy- Johnny Walker(black), super heavy- Goodrich(black). Those are amazing accomplishments considering they were genetically hindered from birth. There is a reason however why the numbers are lower in aw and golf opposed to basketball... And the answer is culture & environnement.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2011 17:50:17 GMT -5
And I claimed it to be circumstancial, NOT coincidental. Big difference.
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Feb 17, 2011 20:06:26 GMT -5
Okay bilal... Aw and powerlifting.... Explosive power sports in which "fast twitch" muscle fibers are in huge demand. Much like... 100 meter sprinting, Where 9-10 lining up on the starting line are black. Need a better argument... Very possibly the best lightweight aw of all time - Dave Hicks(black). Very possibly best ever light heavy- Johnny Walker(black), super heavy- Goodrich(black). Those are amazing accomplishments considering they were genetically hindered from birth. There is a reason however why the numbers are lower in aw and golf opposed to basketball... And the answer is culture & environnement. Ok I have to admit that was a very good argument. That may very well be the reason  |
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Post by Dan Kadlec on Feb 17, 2011 23:32:30 GMT -5
Bodybuilding is a strength sport, so is powerlifting. I cant believe nobody has mentioned ronnie coleman if anyone and many others. Anyhoo, I will keep my mouth quiet abouth the rest of this topic lol. dont get me wrong, I can go on and on about bilals questions and why sports are more prominent than others. nothing racial |
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Feb 18, 2011 9:24:25 GMT -5
Bodybuilding is definitely not a strength sport. Power-lifting is however. Power-lifting is functional, bodybuilding isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 10:08:20 GMT -5
I agree with Bilal. Ronny Coleman is uniquely strong, but generally the ultimate goal in BB is not power of strength but asthetics and symmetry.
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Post by Jeff Penney on Feb 18, 2011 11:11:41 GMT -5
Interesting topic- I agree with Chris. The reason is obviously sociological; it's just not part of Black American culture- like rowing lol. Rowers are lilly white . The key factor is that most Black men with an athletic interest in the States gravitate towards football. Moreover, the calibre of heavyweight pro boxers has dropped even, because the most talented potential boxers are playing football instead. Percentage-wise, it appears they have genetics to dominate this largely underground white sport called armwrestling.
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Post by John Milne on Feb 18, 2011 12:57:11 GMT -5
Nice to hear from you Jeff!! I hope you're doing well.
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Post by Dan Kadlec on Feb 18, 2011 16:39:50 GMT -5
I beg to differ bilal. I have been a bodybuilder and powerlifter for many years before I retired from the gym lifestyle 5 years ago, and I can tell you this...In order to pack mass on a frame, one utilizes powerlifting fundamentals, and then defines their mass/physique with isolation and focus on muscles to give its aesthetics and symmetry. If you look at ronnie coleman, johnny jackson, troy alves, etc, they all utilize powerlifting strategies to add mass, and then define it with isolation proccesses. Call me old school, call me ignorant, but this is my psychology of bodybuilding, which boils down to the factor that bodybuilding is a strength sport to the extend that they have to get stronger to obtain bigger muscle mass. strength = size. I spent years travelling to events, having 1 on 1's with some great athletes in both sports (bodybuilding and powerlifting), and this is what i have learned over the years. we can debate all we want, but i seriously doubt anyone is going to change their perspective of beliefs. I also will say that most bodybuilding fanatics think im a moron, because I speak against many traditional bodybuilding "beliefs". I personally am also that guy that speaks old school about this stuff WSB all the way  thats all i have to say. |
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Feb 21, 2011 17:33:35 GMT -5
I beg to differ bilal. I have been a bodybuilder and powerlifter for many years before I retired from the gym lifestyle 5 years ago, and I can tell you this...In order to pack mass on a frame, one utilizes powerlifting fundamentals, and then defines their mass/physique with isolation and focus on muscles to give its aesthetics and symmetry. If you look at ronnie coleman, johnny jackson, troy alves, etc, they all utilize powerlifting strategies to add mass, and then define it with isolation proccesses. Call me old school, call me ignorant, but this is my psychology of bodybuilding, which boils down to the factor that bodybuilding is a strength sport to the extend that they have to get stronger to obtain bigger muscle mass. strength = size. I spent years travelling to events, having 1 on 1's with some great athletes in both sports (bodybuilding and powerlifting), and this is what i have learned over the years. we can debate all we want, but i seriously doubt anyone is going to change their perspective of beliefs. I also will say that most bodybuilding fanatics think im a moron, because I speak against many traditional bodybuilding "beliefs". I personally am also that guy that speaks old school about this stuff WSB all the way thats all i have to say. A lot of old timers will agree and I do too in the bodybuilding philosophy of "If you can lift, then lift." But that's not bodybuilding. If you go to youtube and look randomly at bodybuilders training, you can see they are lifting pussy weights. I've trained with much bigger bodybuilders, walking around at 280 lbs and I lift much heavir weights...they simply tell me the purpose of bodybuilding is not to be strong but to look symmetrical and good. I've been weight lifting for over 10 years. I believe that you personally have never did ONLY bodybuilding but weightlifting = a variation of bodybuilding with lifting heavy ass weights. I can tell from your thick frame that you have a power lifting background, but you don't look like a bodybuilder. |
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Post by Nik Straub on Feb 21, 2011 18:38:52 GMT -5
Although Ronnie was a bodybuilder, he was a beast!!! One of the few I've seen handle a 200lb dumbbell press with such ease.
Hey Bilal, not all bodybuilders lift smaller weight, but there definitely is a trend for excellent form.
Weren't you a bodybuilder Chris? Chime in here!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2011 19:17:38 GMT -5
All serious bodybuilders will put emphasis on heavy lifting (with basic compound exercises). Especially in off season when fat % and symmetry are less of a priority. HOWEVER.. Being geneticlly pre disposed for power and strength is not neccasarily an absolute need in the world of pro bb. What seperates pro bb from amateur bb's is an absolute attention to symmetry, balance, diet and "supplemtation".. GENERALLY speaking.
When Arnold dominated the bb world, it's very plausable that the competitors that finished behind him were stronger lifters. But lacked his physical symmetry and obsession to detail and discipline.
So yes, being geneticly gifted towards strength and power can be an advantage in bb. But IT IS NOT the most important attribute a human can pocess. Therfore I would say bb is not a "strength and power" sport(proffesional level)... Like powerlifting is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2011 19:29:13 GMT -5
Between 18-24 when my test levels where at their highest, as a bb I lifted my heaviest weights. However My physique was at it's best at 26-27 when my bb IQ was higher and my mind more developped towards discipline. THERE IS NO SPORT IN THE WORLD THAT REQUIRES MORE MENTAL DISCIPLINE THAN BODYBUILDING.
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Feb 21, 2011 22:40:34 GMT -5
Although Ronnie was a bodybuilder, he was a beast!!! One of the few I've seen handle a 200lb dumbbell press with such ease. Hey Bilal, not all bodybuilders lift smaller weight, but there definitely is a trend for excellent form. Weren't you a bodybuilder Chris? Chime in here! Ronnie Coleman did powerlifting for a while before he went into bodybuilding. He attributes his thickness and raw strength to his powerlifting background. |
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Post by Eric Furness on Feb 22, 2011 18:42:21 GMT -5
There is alot of strong african americans in UFC , etc, Kimbo Slice , The Spider Silva, Rampage etc... i thinks its just over looked topic my view to this topic....
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