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Post by Joel Goodsell on Nov 13, 2009 23:03:10 GMT -5
lay off man there doing a great job here....theres no need to be giving them a hard time if you dont like it then take your name off the list or give your own rankings and lets see how they compair...eric does a great job at this and theres no need to be messin with it
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Post by Jason Manjin on Nov 13, 2009 23:10:51 GMT -5
Here goes a long one. I will be blunt. I have said this before, the rankings are doing what they are supposed to do. Accurate or not in anyone's opinion. Eric's opinions do slightly slightly favor the east, but I like them. Gives me more motivation to crush them like the bugs they are! Anyway, I think Eric should answer Rob's questions though. In my opinion, I would agree that Jay Riehle probably should be ranked behind Rob, but I am assuming he is not because of tournament placings? or opinions?? I don't know on that one, but I think if Rob and Jay met Rob would win, and I would have him ahead of Jay. Please correct me Eric if I am not accurate on this but I don't necessarily believe rankings should change every tournament. Let's use Rob's example at Port Elgin. Bill Cameron and Shea had a war, those guys were tired. Eric would/did, must have... used his opinion as well on this one, and in my opinion a fresh Bill Cameron would beat you Rob, and would beat Bill Lougheed right handed as well, that is my opinion so I agree with the rankings on that. How many right handed wins do you have Rob on Shea, or how many right handed wins does Bill Lougheed have on Shea? Bill Cameron has at least 2 or 3 on Shea recently and had an absolute war with him in their final match see saw battle!!... Guy Windover also smoked Shea twice right handed but I doubt Guy would be certain that he would smoke Shea the next time they met, or if they were ranked in the same weight class that he should be ranked ahead of him just yet....
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Sorry this post was late getting posted, took along time to write ya know
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Post by Rob Hancock on Nov 14, 2009 1:42:38 GMT -5
The results from the Carrot Festival show that Bill Cameron won the 242 right hand class. Upon closer inspection I noticed that Al Aubin placed second in that class(and Al pulled two classes). Bill Lougheed placed fourth in that class (but he also pulled two classes). The results also show that Bill Lougheed won the 242 left hand class. Al Aubin placed third in the left, and Bill Cameron placed fifth in the left. Both Al and Bill L. pulled two classes, Bill C did not. Jay only placed higher than me at the Golden Horseshoe Championship because of luck of the draw( I miraculously drew Anatoly both hands). I also get the impression that Eric isn't aware that I have wins over Shea. I do in fact think that certain people are ranked much higher than they should be and I am willing to prove it!. The time for talk has passed. I challenge Jay Riehle to a left hand supermatch for the 242 rankings! For the record my right shoulder is injured but I think it's only fair I also offer Jay a chance to take my 13th 242 right hand placing. Anywhere, anytime and any amount of $!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2009 6:23:10 GMT -5
Guy Windover also smoked Shea twice right handed but I doubt Guy would be certain that he would smoke Shea the next time they met, or if they were ranked in the same weight class that he should be ranked ahead of him just yet.... Exactly, I stated this after the first win. I told this to Shea after. Fresh to fresh Shea is a different animal, and Bill Cameron is the same type of animal. Rankings are a guideline like speed limits. I dont drive 80 km/hr and I dont know exactly where my ranking should be. It will change from tourney to tourney/good days bad days. Disagreement over 1 or two placements hardly warrants calling them BS. I have wins over people higher but not over some below them. It happens. ABC thing. I may even be able to beat #2 but not the 4 people below them? It happens. Truly until you are top 5 it is only a guideline and encouragement for improvement. I dont always agree with Eric's science, but I have the benefit of looking and studying his hard work and being critical of his blood sweat and tears. If I had to put this thing together I woulda quite befor I started. I have """"""PM'd"""" him a few times with some opinions and sometimes I win sometimes he has insight I didnt know about. My life doesnt change one iota if I am not placed where I should be. Until I can beat that Tamblyn bastard I am only top 20!!!!!! DO NOT turn this into a East West crap. Old Young. I am in the middle on both, hehe. |
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Post by toprollhook on Nov 14, 2009 9:30:41 GMT -5
MONKEY IN THE MIDDLE...(GUY)
EAST/WEST /NORTH /SOUTH/ YOUNG /OLD ..RANKINGS ARE FOR ENTERTAINMENT ...1-20 WHO GIVES A RATS A##..WELL MAYBE SOME PEOPLE!!!FOR THE YOUNG/ NEW GUYS IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOUR NAME ON THE LIST. I THOUGHT IT WAS COOL BUT NOW IT'S JUST ENTERTAINING.AND WHEN I HEAR THE WHINING ,GROW UP AND LIKE JOEL SAID...
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Post by Daylan Thomas on Nov 14, 2009 9:39:14 GMT -5
Where are you in the middle of Guy the old/young thing? Was just confused I thought we where pretty accurate on that ranking!!!!...
But I will agree that until you are ranked Top five and stay Top five it is really just a guideline and is fun to see your name move up on the rankings, and if you don't like where you sit in the rankings then grab your b@!!$ and challenge the person that you feel has your spot and if you can't do that then maybe it's not your spot in the first place and just keep training and pulling until it is ;D
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Post by Eric Roussin on Nov 14, 2009 10:10:04 GMT -5
Rob -- You're right that I wasn't aware (or possibly forgot) that you have win(s) over Shea. Could you remind me when this/these win(s) occurred? I am not too interested in seeing a left handed supermatch between you and Jay, as he hasn't been active and you will likely gain his spot in the next rankings adjustment if he doesn't compete at the next event. However, I would be very interested in seeing a right handed supermatch between you and Bill Cameron (once your shoulder has healed). Perhaps this match can be set up for the new year.
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Post by COLLARM on Nov 14, 2009 10:19:01 GMT -5
So let me get this striate .
The rankings are in place to make are little hobby better.
The only way to get higher on the rankings is to challenge someone higher then your self "O"yea and win.
I think the ranking should be based on the O.A.A trunys only not the super match's there just at most a one sided side show but i will say Bill Cameron and Shea was one of the better ones i.vie see you missed a good one there.
Back to what i was saying .
Both Bill&Shea but there arms on the table for the truny after there super match thy new what thy were doing so win or lose
if you going to but your arm on the table after a super match you going to make some one happy.
and the happy people should be rank so.
(And why on the o.a.a member ship form dos it ask what Province)
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Post by Eric Roussin on Nov 14, 2009 14:46:29 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that the rankings make the sport better, but they are fun to discuss.
People can move up the rankings by beating someone ranked ahead of them or by beating someone who can beat another puller who is also ranked ahead. Supermatches are best, but they are by no means the only way to move up the rankings. However, individual wins do not guarantee an improved ranking -- I have to try to consider a number of other factors.
I don't think the rankings should just be based on regular tournament performance, and I don't think they should always change to exactly reflect the most recent OAA tournament results. Some pullers like to pull multiple classes for the fun of it, understanding that their performance in any particular class may suffer because of pulling many more matches than someone who just pulls one class. I don't think it would be fair to drop these people in the rankings just because they lose a match that they would ordinarily win if they weren't tired.
The rankings I put together are intended to be a current reflection of who the best pullers are in each class. Individual tournament results identify who the best pullers were at an event on a particular day. The rankings should not be seen as taking away the accomplishments of individual tournament champions.
I am not opposed to someone developing a different set of rankings based exclusively on OAA events. I think the Grippler was talking about setting up something like this a while back. However, developing, maintaining, explaining, and defending a ranking system can be quite a lot of work.
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Post by Jerry Milne on Nov 14, 2009 15:01:34 GMT -5
Eric, you do a very impressive job with your rankings. They are very solid and I know you put a lot of thought into them. They are no where close to BS, sometimes jealousy gets the best of people.
I wouldn't be worried about people whining and bitching about rankings. And all this favored to Eastern pullers or boosting egos of "East enders" as some state is absolutely laughable and retarded.
Every once in a while you'll get tools trying to split the province again talking about East vs. West.
Gimme a break.
Cliffs notes:
Eric you do an amazing job doing rankings, they are very well done.
You'll get whining and bitching wherever you go, can't please them all.
Some people are still trying to add labels like East vs. West to amuse themselves and serve some sort of purpose.
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Post by Jason Manjin on Nov 14, 2009 16:38:13 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that the rankings make the sport better, but they are fun to discuss. People can move up the rankings by beating someone ranked ahead of them or by beating someone who can beat another puller who is also ranked ahead. Supermatches are best, but they are by no means the only way to move up the rankings. However, individual wins do not guarantee an improved ranking -- I have to try to consider a number of other factors. I don't think the rankings should just be based on regular tournament performance, and I don't think they should always change to exactly reflect the most recent OAA tournament results. Some pullers like to pull multiple classes for the fun of it, understanding that their performance in any particular class may suffer because of pulling many more matches than someone who just pulls one class. I don't think it would be fair to drop these people in the rankings just because they lose a match that they would ordinarily win if they weren't tired. The rankings I put together are intended to be a current reflection of who the best pullers are in each class. Individual tournament results identify who the best pullers were at an event on a particular day. The rankings should not be seen as taking away the accomplishments of individual tournament champions. I am not opposed to someone developing a different set of rankings based exclusively on OAA events. I think the Grippler was talking about setting up something like this a while back. However, developing, maintaining, explaining, and defending a ranking system can be quite a lot of work. I agree totally with what Eric said here and that is how I also feel about the rankings, and they do in fact reflect that to a high degree of accuracy. Having a ranking system based on OAA events or something similar... uh...would be pointless. It would show possibly who has been the most active but that's about it. If I want to look at who the best active pullers are in the province, I can, thanks to Eric's rankings. |
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Post by Jason Nitchie on Nov 14, 2009 17:11:56 GMT -5
Hey Rob, I understand your frustration, maybe I can help!
I am ranked 12 left hand, if you want a shot at that ranking I will accept your challenge. Conditions: 1. Has to be in the new year (maybe Guy's January tourney) 2. Loser pays for the entry into the event (max 2 arms 1 category) 3. If we are tied in matches we go to the straps for the final pull
What do you say?
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Post by Mikel Gould on Nov 14, 2009 19:58:43 GMT -5
Wow, you gotta like a little contraversy. Ok i hope i dont get in to much trouble but here goes. First of all i thinkyour crazy if you put to much in to the rankings. It doesnt matter what board you are on its only based on opinion. I believe Eric works hard on all of them and its only fair that some would not agree with his opinion. (kinda like my reffing). Rob i looked over the rankings and im curious to know where you felt you should be ranked. But if your just talking about one or two places i would say your taking them to serious. Personaly Ive always felt that they are prety close. Except for my positions. It is possible that you have been a little in active and just overlooked as well and if thats the case its unfortunate but it happens.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2009 20:54:23 GMT -5
Jason!!!!! Where the hell you been brother!!!! I thought you had moved or something. So great to hear you are pumped and ready for action. Look forward to meeting up again, although now I am a little lighter.
Daylon - I am in the middle of the Old/Young and East/West. I am middle aged and Central Ontario. hehe. Just sittin on the fence!
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Post by Pat Mastrangelo on Nov 15, 2009 10:49:24 GMT -5
All as I know is that there is going to be a lot of pullers moving down in the 198 rankings in the new year. And that's all I am going to say about that.
P.S. If you don't like were you are ranked, go out and do something about it. I think Eric does a great job, it must be hard taking every little thing into consideration. I do believe luck of the draw has a lot to do with the final outcome of the tournament, but I am sure Eric looks at that. So what I am trying to say is go out there, win and make it easier for Eric to place you.
See you all soon.
Pat
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