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Post by Dave McEwen on Nov 15, 2009 12:11:27 GMT -5
Hey pat I did , luck of draw at one big tourny put me out early , in the states top three , won the last three locally I pulled , two points tournys , my ranking goes down ? Others have not or only pulled once in the year . Dave
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Post by Jerry Milne on Nov 15, 2009 12:30:37 GMT -5
Pat, I can't wait to see you pulling again, you're a very strong, smart and patient puller.
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Post by toprollhook on Nov 15, 2009 13:45:08 GMT -5
I HEAR PAT'S FEELING VERY STRONG!!! AND GIVING BRIAN T. ALL HE CAN HANDLE..
I WISH I COULD SAME THE SAME FOR THE 198'S BUT I AM AN OLD FAT MAN NOW...
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Post by toprollhook on Nov 15, 2009 13:51:52 GMT -5
AND MR .MIKE GOULD,WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE IT TO BARRIE FOR A PRACTICE.. GARY ,PHIL,RYAN AND A FEW OF US ARE STILL WAITING.. YOU SHOULD BRING ALL THE OTHERS ALSO PAT AND BRIAN ETC.
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Post by Mikel Gould on Nov 15, 2009 14:03:39 GMT -5
Hey Craig, Im wanting to come up and train with you guys so bad and its not far for me but i work for a paving company and the last few weeks have been crazy. Been working 7 days a week but its all coming to an end very soon. I will see you then. As for the rankings i agree with Pat the more your out and win the easier it is to rank you.
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Post by Pat Mastrangelo on Nov 15, 2009 14:21:04 GMT -5
Dave..I can see how you are frustrated. Just a quick question, did you pull any of the pullers ranked higher than you at any of these events and also were they fresh or did they have hard pulls before you? That can also effect rankings.
Craig...Brain is a bad dude. I do judge my progress every week on how long it takes him to pin me.(haha). I am on scheduale for next year. When you are pulling Big Mikey and Brian you are sure to get better every week as long as they don't rip your arm off.
As for coming up to Barrie just trying to figure out a time or a date. I couch my sons soccer team and we play Sunday afternoons. When he plays a late game I am going to try to make it out. Would be great to pull with you guys. How is Gary and Phil feeling? looking forward to seeing at Mike's.
Keep training and see you guys soon.
Pat.
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Post by Marcelo Palacios on Nov 15, 2009 14:29:27 GMT -5
Well well well, its been a long time since I visit the board and I have to say that is very difficult to do ranking, so my hat is off to you Eric for putting all the hard work, in the 176 left hand I think I can beat 6 or 7 people that are rank in front o me and 4 or 5 with the right, and the reason they are in front is simply because they got the better of me last time or just because i haven't been as active because I'm trying to heal, does it bother me that they are in front of me?? ABSOLUTLY NOT, I don't really care about rankings, I care about going to a tournament, meeting all you people and having a blast, I might like to do a supper match or two next year...
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Post by toprollhook on Nov 16, 2009 16:38:34 GMT -5
PAT, PHILS FEELING STRONGER ALL THE TIME.. GARY'S COMING ALONG PULLED WITH HIM BEFORE I WENT TO ITALY ..THEY PULL SUNDAY AFTERNOON THOUGH AND WE ALSO PULL AT MAKSIM 'S ON TUESDAY NIGHTS IN BARRIE. PHILL WANTS KYLE TO COME OUT ALSO.
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Post by John Milne on Nov 16, 2009 17:13:31 GMT -5
Now I know why Bill and Conrad wanted their names removed from these rankings! I don't think the problem here is just an east vs. west thing, I think it's more of a new vs. old thing! Maybe one day I'll learn to take the high road like them, but until that day comes; I refuse to go away quietly! I am prepared to put to put my money where my mouth is and prove your rankings are B.S.!!! Conspiracy theory's? Are you serious Rob? Or are you just bitching? Do you honestly think there is an east vs. west / young vs. old "thing"? I have a hard time believing that is your honest opinion. If it is then I think you are either looking for something that isn't there or are just plain out of touch with reality. Knowing the integrity that Eric has, saying something like that is an insult. He provides a service (Rankings) that if wasn't there people would wish for. Do you think he donates hours of his time on a regular basis just to propagate a bias in Ontario?  ?? Starting to sound a little nuts? Or is this the way you feel? First of all.. why would something like that exist? Does there have to be battle lines for some of you people in this province? East vs. West, Young vs. Old is bullshit and is only propagated by a very small percentage and not felt my the majority. Some people just look to pick fights or start shit for no good reason. I'm pointing at you as one of them if you continue this pointless bullshit. Post your rankings without bias Rob. Please. Let them be dissected by everyone, let people challenge your character and call the hours of hard work bullshit. I am very interested in YOUR rankings. Let me see the world from your eyes without Eric's "agenda". Stop calling BS from in the outfield. Batter up. Show us your rankings. |
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Post by Linda deGroot on Nov 16, 2009 17:25:11 GMT -5
I feel that the women's rankings should be extended past ten. The women that are supporting the O.A.A. the most are not being represented. Women who are O.A.A. members, pulled circuit tournaments, provincials, nationals and even worlds are not ranked.
Here are a couple of examples:
I pulled 3 circuit tournaments and provincials last year and I am not ranked.
Renee Breton pulled atleast one curcuit, provincials, nationals and worlds last year and is not ranked.
It's not fair that non-members that pull one tournament are ranked and the active O.A.A. members are not. This is why I believe the O.A.A. rankings should be reserved for O.A.A. members only.
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Post by Eric Roussin on Nov 16, 2009 18:06:21 GMT -5
The In The Hook Ontario rankings are not OAA rankings and therefore do include some pullers who do not regularly compete in OAA events. I try to consider results from all events where Ontario pullers compete, regardless of where the tournament takes place.
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Post by Rob Hancock on Nov 16, 2009 23:23:36 GMT -5
I would like to clarify a few things so everyone understands my position. Disagreeing with these rankings is not an attack on Eric's character, nor is it an attack on "In The Hook". I think both are doing a great job of promoting the sport of armwrestling in Ontario. I just don't think these rankings are very accurate. You can't expect to rank people and not get a little flak. My guess is that Eric does these rankings to encourage new people to return by watching their names move up the rankings. It is my observation that they are in fact insulting some of the most experienced armwrestlers, (to the point where some have actually requested that their names be removed from the list). I also noticed that these rankings favor people that are new (under 5 years armwrestling experience). When I say experienced armwrestler, I mean; (an armwrestler that has more than 10 years experience). People that have "In The Hook" profiles also seem to be favored. A large percentage of the new armwrestlers are geograpically located in Belleville, or east of there. This is largely due to the years of hard work Eric has put in recruiting members. Conspiracy theories and hidden agendas are not my words and definitely not my intentions. None of the complaints are coming from pullers that live east of Belleville, have profiles on "In The Hook" and have less than 5 years armwrestling experience! These rankings do not encourage me to attend more tournaments. They in fact have the opposite effect on myself and anyone else in my position. It doesn't seem to matter if I miss a tournament, pull poorly or even pull well. My ranking keeps dropping no matter what happens. I just watch all the new pullers names climbing up the rankings even when they've never beaten me. I find it suspicious that Eric is not interested in seeing a left hand supermatch between myself and Jay Riehle, but is very interested in seeing a right handed supermatch between myself and Bill Cameron. Both pullers are only ranked one spot higher than me. For the record, I do believe that there are people ranked more than five spots ahead of me that do not deserve to be there. I have already challenged Jay Riehle to a left and right handed supermatch, and I will be ready by November 28th if necessary. I can't prove my point if Eric refuses to set up the match. Eric is the one doing the rankings and he's also one of the tournament directors, so it's up to him to set the match. If no match is set-up, then I guess I've made my point and I respectfully request that my name also be removed from the rankings!
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Post by Jason Nitchie on Nov 17, 2009 6:05:56 GMT -5
Hey Rob, You may have overlookoed my response to you on page 2. I will happily give you a shot of my 12 spot in the ranking (left hand) on Jan 30 2010 at Guy Windover event. If you win then you take my position, if you lose, well then this should mean you should not be ranked higher then me and the rankings speak for themselves.
So once again what do you say?
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Post by Jeff Penney on Nov 17, 2009 7:16:36 GMT -5
There Rob- you have a taker. So you don't have to take the "high road" lmao. For curiosity's sake, who in Belleville is inappropriately ranked, in keeping with your old vs new theory? Can't be Joe, he's not new... let's break it down. Put a name out there. Who?
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Post by Eric Roussin on Nov 17, 2009 10:17:11 GMT -5
I’m a numbers guy so I’d like to present some figures that help illustrate my opinion that the rankings are not consciously biased.
Regarding the alleged “experience” bias: Of the 100 male pullers ranked in the top 10 across all weight categories, exactly 50 of them are pullers with 10+ years in the sport, according to my count (including pullers who pulled more than 10 years ago, left the sport for a while, and later returned). Looking at only the top 3 in each class, 19 of the 30 pullers have 10+ years in the sport.
Interestingly, if you look at any of the recent tournament results you will see that the majority of pullers who compete have less than 10 years in the sport.
Regarding the alleged “regional” bias: Of the 100 males pullers ranked in the top 10 across all weight categories, 36 are in the east. This ranges from a low of 1 puller in the 154s (Joel Goodsell) and 7 in the 198s (the east just happens to have a lot of strong pullers in this class).
Regarding the alleged “In The Hook Profile” bias: I really don’t pay attention to who has a profile. I handle the rankings for the site, and have nothing to do with the profiles. Jerry/John handles the profiles and link them to the rankings.
As I mentioned, the reason I am less interested in seeing a left-handed supermatch between Rob and Jay is that I don’t think Jay is currently active (can someone confirm this?). I use a “must have competed at least once in the past 12 months” rule to be considered for the rankings, and he last competed in January. If he’s not active, and has no plans to compete in the near future, he will soon be removed from the rankings. If he is interested in a supermatch, then by all means it can be set up. However, I am not doing the legwork to set this up – I don’t have the time.
Rob – You have Jason’s offer on the table, but if you think you are off 5+ positions in the rankings, then perhaps you could challenge someone higher up.
In doing these rankings I completely expect disagreements/debate/etc. I think it’s great that there all already 40+ posts on the subject. It makes for fun reading.
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