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Post by Maksim Khodau on Mar 22, 2010 15:43:29 GMT -5
I will have a few amatures coming out for their FIRST event at MGC. I REALLY hope, unlike the last year, they won't have to go against National level pullers trying to avoid a bad night.  |
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Post by Mikel Gould on Mar 22, 2010 15:47:12 GMT -5
I hope so as well Maksim. I will do my best but as you know its a very unclear line.
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Post by Joe Gould on Mar 22, 2010 16:21:50 GMT -5
This is the most prestigous amateur tournament going. Very different calibre than that of a regular local amateur event.
New pullers should be expecting to face the toughest amateurs in the country and beyond.
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Post by silverback on Mar 22, 2010 16:36:14 GMT -5
When I first started in this sport I had to face pullers that had many years of experience, so with that I say who cares and whoever signs to pull whether be pro or amateur have fun and learn from it. Oh yeah, if you lose badly your first two matches then stick around after the tourney and pull with anybody, you'll see sometimes its funner than the actual tourney. Mike, sorry I won't be able to be there but as I heard it will be one of if not the best tourney ever!
Good luck to all and remember to thank Mike you guys,
Conrad
Team Sudbury
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Post by Craig Mitchell on Mar 22, 2010 17:45:10 GMT -5
Here we go again...For all you Wannna Be AM"S who should be pulling Pro..,if it's a trophy you want I have plenty to hand out.. Put up the $100.00. Be a MAN!!!
Conrad thanks for the pulling the other week and BEER..Guess I couldn't talk you into coming down, I know you have a good reason.,Craig
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Post by Maksim Khodau on Mar 22, 2010 18:43:19 GMT -5
This is the most prestigous amateur tournament going. Very different calibre than that of a regular local amateur event. New pullers should be expecting to face the toughest amateurs in the country and beyond. I agree, the caliber is higher, no doubt. That is expected. However, going against people previously placed at the National level (or having pulled at that level), should not be the case. See you all there. |
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Post by Joe Gould on Mar 22, 2010 19:06:08 GMT -5
There are many people who have pulled at Nationals who are not a pro puller.
Even winning the Nationals, if it was years and years ago does not necessarily make you a pro.
Tony Brooks is a good example of a top level amateur.
He placed 4th at Nationals, pulled at the Arnold Classic too, but he is definately still at the amateur level.
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Post by Joe Gould on Mar 22, 2010 20:07:22 GMT -5
Also, about Tony, he plans on pulling pro after the ams if he has any gas left in the tank, for the experience.
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Post by Al Aubin on Mar 22, 2010 20:18:52 GMT -5
i have a kid 19 who has been pulling hard for 8 months and the 154's that pull him will bitch he pull's like a pro but 8months he is amateur.
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Post by Maksim Khodau on Mar 22, 2010 20:47:41 GMT -5
There are many people who have pulled at Nationals who are not a pro puller. Even winning the Nationals, if it was years and years ago does not necessarily make you a pro. Tony Brooks is a good example of a top level amateur. He placed 4th at Nationals, pulled at the Arnold Classic too, but he is definately still at the amateur level. Nothing personal against Tony. But, I will still say he should have been pulling pro since the time he competed at the Nationals. As per "fine line": HERE IS HOW I SEE IT: BEING A PRO IS NOT ONLY ABOUT THE STRENGTH AND THE WAY ONE'S ARMS FEEL ON A PARTICULAR DAY. IT'S MUCH MORE ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE GAINED IN PREVIOUS TOURNAMENTS. That is exactly why I don't believe in someone with 2+ years of competing entering an amature division with their "weak arm" because they don't usually pull with it... In any case, it's everybody's personal call. Regardless, this Saturday will be a great day of armwrestling!  |
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Post by Daylan Thomas on Mar 22, 2010 21:40:48 GMT -5
there is a very fine line with who should or shouldn't pull the amateurs but you can't base it on years or where they have competed it should be based on your own person growth in this sport and maybe it's just something that a individual needs to complete before he/she could truly feel like a pro puller. For example I have been pulling for five almost six years I have pulled in three nationals, and I have also pulled in the MGC but I am one of those people that have a goal to win the right and left am class before I can truly feel like a pro level puller at the MGC so experience yes, abilities yes, pro level well not there YET so should I pull pro just to make someone happy? f**k no I will pull Pro left (which is my weak arm) and will pull amateur right and if I would win I would then the next year pull pro right and left.
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Post by Cameron Clarke on Mar 23, 2010 15:26:43 GMT -5
Everyone is so well spoken....... i will pull amature and hope to do better than the previous year........goals are good to have.......see you there!!!!! go green....
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Post by Jeff Penney on Mar 23, 2010 18:01:32 GMT -5
As soon as two classes were brought into the picture, two schools of thought are apparent. Number one: Pros is a term to describe the normal tournament (like we always attend), but this time there's money to be had. As a result, there is a greater number of high caliber pullers showing up. This makes it hard for NEW guys, that still are trying to figure out the fundamentals. Therefore we have an amateur tourney for NEW guys. Guys that have done tournaments for a while should attend the regular (pro) tourney and take their lumps, like we do at every regular tourney.
Number two: The amateur tourney is for normal caliber guys, and the Pro class is only for the elite pullers, since an average guy cannot realistically be expected to win. Pro classes are for the select few who win tournaments regularly.
I personally support the first school of thought. Let's leave the amateur class for the new guys, take your losses against the pros, like all the other tourneys of the year that you (and I) don't win. That's what I'm doing. No reason to trophy hunt on the backs of the new guys when you're on your 7th year, claiming that you're not quite there yet. No one is exactly where they want to be, skillwise. This tourney will be my 4th anniversary in the sport, MGC was my first ever, and Daylan had two and a half years at least when I met the guys. I think when it comes down to it, we will both feel a little sheepish after all that table time if we put our names on that am list. Once again. This is a tournament that happens to draw the toughest guys- not a tourney designed for the toughest guys. If you have been doing tournaments, well here's one for you. It's an honour to be there and get my ass kicked by the best. And I'll be there to cheer for the NEWER guys. Daylan's right: No one has to pull am because other people say. but I'm naive enough to believe that most people will decide based on what makes them a better man when it's done. Let's hear people's opinions: what school of thought is yours? Maybe this will aid in deciding who should and shouldn't pull am.
Jeff
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Post by Travis Boudreault on Mar 23, 2010 18:17:35 GMT -5
Good points Jeff. As a fairly NEW puller, I for one am going to be a little apprehensive pulling even in the amateur class wondering how many experienced pullers will drop class just to win and feel superior. The point of the Amateur class is to grow the sport and its fellowship. If a newbie comes in, loses 2 quick matches by a flash I am sure that will discourage them from attending another event. As a pro I feel anyone with some true experience should get some table time with the big boys and support the funding of the sport. They say you only get better by pulling armwrestlers that are better than you. Just my 2 cents. Nevertheless this event seems to be one for the ages!
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Post by Jeff Penney on Mar 23, 2010 18:29:55 GMT -5
Well said Travis. BTW I'm open enough to admit that I have a flawed philosophy if the majority do not agree with my stance. Also- AL AUBIN- I'm bringing your chalk Saturday, dude!
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