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Post by Joe Gould on Feb 10, 2011 16:22:15 GMT -5
Arm Melter 10 will be held at Wahoo 2 Sportsbar, in Belleville.
Load up the war wagons!
Wahoo 2 Sportsbar
449 Dundas St. West
Belleville, ON K8P 1B6
(613)968-2264
Saturday, February 19th
Weigh ins - 11:00am(start)
Supermatches - 1:00pm
Tournament - 2:00pm
Don't miss this epic event!!!!!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 17:14:41 GMT -5
Ahhh we are bringing the Short Bus. But we all have our helmets and chin straps done up. Lookin soooo forward to this event. Training going exceptional!! Almost got a one arm chinup happenin!!!!! First Supermatch ever!! I will not lose!!! Well maybe to the Crusher, but otherwise, I will not lose!!!
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Post by Fayez Moutassem on Feb 10, 2011 17:19:32 GMT -5
should be an easy match for you against Ryan. i almost got him in my first tournament ever when i knew nothing about arm wrestling but lost on elbows
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 17:37:43 GMT -5
Yes Fayez.., but then u got top rolled BY ME!!!! For shame.
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Post by Fayez Moutassem on Feb 10, 2011 17:45:43 GMT -5
Yes Fayez.., but then u got top rolled BY ME!!!! For shame. ya man, what a shame lol. didnt even know what a top roll was  i know u gained so much strength since last year from watching your videos and seeing how u did very well in the 242 class. u probably wont need to top roll me next time to win lol |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 18:07:00 GMT -5
U got that right my friend. I was experimenting a bit that year. I will NEVER top roll again! Win or lose, the sh*t goes INSIDE.
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Feb 10, 2011 20:53:16 GMT -5
U got that right my friend. I was experimenting a bit that year. I will NEVER top roll again! Win or lose, the sh*t goes INSIDE. Always good to have a backup plan...that what you keep telling me!! P.S. see you next weekend. I'll be up there on the 18th-20th |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 21:15:17 GMT -5
Back up plan as in grip EVEN lower or slip, strap, hook. In my world, the top roll option is a mistake.
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Feb 11, 2011 9:50:45 GMT -5
Back up plan as in grip EVEN lower or slip, strap, hook. In my world, the top roll option is a mistake. I was told to always top roll when possible, because it's a faster outcome and it will help you avoid injury...do you disagree? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 11:09:59 GMT -5
I do not agree. It's an amateur mentality. When setting up with an amateur puller it's easy (during set up) to figure out if his hand can be taken. However go to worlds, pull in a class with 30 elite pullers (26 of which u ve never even seen b4) who deadload and disguise their intent... At that point trying to deduce weather or not u should commit to a high attack, will leave u with regrets and losses.
I'm not saying top rolling is a poor decision. What I'm saying is at that at the highest level of aw, u better be fuc*ing proficient at one move, and implement it with confidence and explosivness. I've seen thousands of matches lost by the stronger puller due to indecision.
Those who disagree with this philosophie should read up on what Engin Terzi says about this. He could be wrong, but with limited physical genetics he did quite good for himself with more than 30 World Titles spanning 5 weight classes. And at a weight of 140lbs, had wins over numerous World class heavyweights.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 11:17:08 GMT -5
Regarding injury.. I've seen more broken arms from top rolls gone wrong than from committed hook matches. I had more kinks in my arms and shoulders from the 6 months I spent training high than 5 yrs hook training. The moral of this is... Know your natural physical mechanics and structure ur training from that. Remember, I'm not bashing top rollers. If i had a big hand and long forearm, attacking high is what I would concentrate on.
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Feb 11, 2011 13:18:26 GMT -5
I do not agree. It's an amateur mentality. When setting up with an amateur puller it's easy (during set up) to figure out if his hand can be taken. However go to worlds, pull in a class with 30 elite pullers (26 of which u ve never even seen b4) who deadload and disguise their intent... At that point trying to deduce weather or not u should commit to a high attack, will leave u with regrets and losses. I'm not saying top rolling is a poor decision. What I'm saying is at that at the highest level of aw, u better be fuc*ing proficient at one move, and implement it with confidence and explosivness. I've seen thousands of matches lost by the stronger puller due to indecision. Those who disagree with this philosophie should read up on what Engin Terzi says about this. He could be wrong, but with limited physical genetics he did quite good for himself with more than 30 World Titles spanning 5 weight classes. And at a weight of 140lbs, had wins over numerous World class heavyweights. It's probably because i'm an amateur, but I find that an excellent top roller almost always has an advantage over an excellent hooker because a top roll is usually a faster move to execute than a hook. Again, I have limited knowledge and very limited experience, but it's from what i saw in the "one" tournament I attended - in the pro class it seemed top rollers were much faster, except for Bill Cameron - that guy is speedy Gonzales. |
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Feb 11, 2011 13:20:00 GMT -5
Regarding injury.. I've seen more broken arms from top rolls gone wrong than from committed hook matches. I had more kinks in my arms and shoulders from the 6 months I spent training high than 5 yrs hook training. The moral of this is... Know your natural physical mechanics and structure ur training from that. Remember, I'm not bashing top rollers. If i had a big hand and long forearm, attacking high is what I would concentrate on. How do I know what I should train? what I'm good at? If I should be a top roller or a hooker?? I've also seen a pretty awesome move - I think it was Devon Larrat. I believe it's called a "high hook" supposed to be something in between a top roll and a hook....how do you train for that? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 13:31:57 GMT -5
Bilal, ur very new in the sport and you don't have to figure any of this out any time soon. Experiment with all techniques. Eventually one will become slightly more natural too u.
Yes, the high hook is the best fundamental move. It's not uniquely defensive nor is it high risk. If ur high hook gets turned in by a strong wristed hooker, ur still alive and well in the match. The high hook is all about set up strength and control. If u want to master this, I suggest talking to John Milne. He is great at it, and he's a terrific teacher . Also I beleive Devon talks about it in detail on the inthehook site.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 13:40:29 GMT -5
True Bilal the top roll is usually executed with speed. It is a high risk move, with little margin for error. Just remember... U can't hit something you cannot control. I personally eat up top rollers, I find them easy to defend. Once a top roller loses his rotater, he's caught under my hook and match is over. 99% of all my loses have come from deep hookers and high hookers.
Bill Camerons move is A BAD ASS move. A shoulder press supported inside hook. If he perfects this, along with timing... Virtually impossible to defend.
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