Updated Top Ontario Rankings

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Guy, I used u vs I as a hypothetical. The circumstance I used was sound.

Don't sell me on your opinion that facts/results hold great weight, then throw in circumstances why Brian had an easy day due to fatigued pullers.

You like facts, Brian has beaten many super heavyweights with national & world titles! He has wins over Allan and vice versa.

I respect your opinion and appreciate your feedback.

[Deleted]

More times than not Guy, facts will be the measuring stick. For ex.. Jake is getting better monthly. And will eventually be at the top. However in Harriston he lost a supermatch vs Al. Due to that fact/result Al took over his spot.

At Nats, Anthony flew across the country targeted George and beat him twice. Fact/result dictate he take the ranking, despite the fact that many many folks will argue " the variables" & exercise their personal judgement. So it's definetly not obvious and evident that I base the rankings souly on my personal discretion.

There are dozens of variables that come into play with everything in life. In order to manufacture the most accurate rankings possible fact and judgement must co exsist. This is not NASCAR. In a perfect world we would all hit all circuit events and a structured point would play out to remove judgment & doubt. However this is not our reality.

[John Milne]

Welcome to the inthehook rankings Mr. Gobby.

Thank you for taking this thankless job over.

[Deleted]

Agreed 100% with the above^^^^ and on your basis, Allen has hit every tournament possible in the past 12 months beating National and World champions and has the last win on Brian. That is all I am saying??? If he got the win then disappeared, and Brian was travelling everywhere, it would change the scope. Brian himself stated he has lost some of the passion and is devoting more time to his little girl (GREAT ON HIM!!!), so Allen may not get another chance to do what he already did?? And why should he have to??? That is all I am saying.

And yes John I agree it is a thankless job. But what we are not to point out our opinions on change?? I am arguing for your teammate, not mine?

[Deleted]

If what u claim regarding Brian is true, and does not show up at the MGC. That will be taken into consideration.

What does it matter if he's johns teammate or yours?? What does personal relatuinships have to do with rankings and opinions regarding them?

[Eric Roussin]

I'm sure both John and Chris love seeing feedback on the rankings. It would be boring to do them if no one cared or said anything about them.

[Deleted]

For sure Eric. Its all good. In retrospect i'm just glad I decided NOT to move Guy to 19th in Ontario... He'd put a hit out on me!! Visions of a Windover Plumbing van doing a "drive by" tupac style would haunt me.

[John Milne]

Guy, I have no problem with anything you've said.

Your argument is valid and well stated.

[Allen The Hitman Ford]

Again I would not even be arguing this change at all if it was a smaller event but this was Provincials!! They as well as Nationals or Worlds should directly effect the rankings! As for all the other tournaments Chris you can and should use your judgment and factor in all the different factors!!

[G Ronald]

Good god lads roll up your drouping lips and settle it like men Tamblin vs Ford super match both fresh no excuses best man wins top spot simple shit when whenya think about it ...just do it up was gonna throw a few other things in there but im thinkin nuff said !!!

[Grippler]

I cannot believe I'm saying this but!!!! DRUM ROLLLLL! I am ranked to HIGH lefty! Nationaly MATTHEW COONISHISH !! beat me at nationals. He should have my ranking.

I'll tell you all something right now If I beat anyone in the world who is ranked higher then me at a major event and someones opinion is why I didn't get ranked higher I would say there Opinion doesn't matter check the stats.

I think puller a beating puller b is the best way to ensure great anticipatory matches. I. E if Brian wants the #1 spot and he thinks Allen got lucky well then Brian should fire up the afterburners and get his ass in gear to pull a rematch with him.

Beating a guy or loseing to a guy and keeping your ranking gives no incentive to return to a match with a guy you may lose to what motivation would there be.

I would pull MR. COONISHISH in his home town for FREE!!! to prove I'm better but in my heart I know he earned it!

Rick H. yook two loses to me on a day where there were no real stakes involved. Rick beats me on a regular bassis and is the more dangerous puller in my opinion. He can beat many people easily that could crush me. Rick Beats me at every major event that we have ever pulled minus 1. He has wins on some of the very best armwrestler in the world. Larratt, Bath, Espy, Gould,

But guess what I know hes better I am sure he knows he is better But imo he needs to beat me or someone ranked higher than me. Because I earned it that day and untill a new day comes and he best me or higher ranked puller I should remain in that position.

So in summary I feel that regardless of your opinon of who would win and why I think head to head match ups are the best indicator.

I used Rick & me as an example because I believe that if a bunch of mid to upper level yankee pullers were to come up hear and have to pull both Rick and I, I think Rick would have the higher winning percentage as I feel he posses a llot more Physical obstecles for people than myself. I have the advantage of pulling rick many times and go back to the perverbal drawing board and make adjustments. Rick is the supperior puller right now! but I have currently earned what he should feel is his spot. And want to pull me to prove to himself that he is better. LOL he also messaged me to see if I was going to Petoborough so I guess he is feeling strong lol!

[Mikel Gould]

Well i hope you didnt think it would be easy Chris. If there was no controversy you wouldnt be doing your job. All the best.

[Jeff Kaye]

I'll tell you all something right now If I beat anyone in the world who is ranked higher then me at a major event and someones opinion is why I didn't get ranked higher I would say there Opinion doesn't matter check the stats........................if this statement is true , why aint i ranked above Mike Roy i flashed him at the mgc.....this aint stats though

[Will Sarty]

A lot of factors come into play for rankings, and yes, regardless of what people try to admit, personal bias and feeling must come into play and cannot be avoided.

Such as me being below Mike Roy in the lefty's. I beat him twice at Nats, then lost a match to Rejen, came off the B side exhausted from Mike and beat Rejean, then lost in the finals.

So does that mean I should be above Mike, and Rejean above me?

A lot of different factors are at play.

I know after my next tourney, I WILL be above them all.. ;D

[Deleted]

It's all good Mike, I'm equipped to deal with sh*t storms. Thanks. I appreciate your support.

Jeff, yes you flashed Mike. He also pulled 2 classes the day b4. If both of you pulled in a super match, I have him dusting you. Rankings is about ACCURACY. Not black and white stats. And yes, 9 out of 10 times if u beat the higher ranked guy in a major event u would take his place (or move up). But what if set guy had a 2 min match prior to u pulling him. Should this not be taken into consideration? Could you possibly imagine how rankings would look or how frequently they would change If all that mattered was sheer results?? Especially in a strengt sport with so many variables.