Will Sarty
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Post by Will Sarty on Jan 13, 2012 14:31:09 GMT -5
We do, called Battle of the Atlantic, mirrored with the Arm Melter format. 3 classes, 165, 200 and 200+
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2012 14:31:24 GMT -5
To further answer ur question Al. A distinct placing or win at worlds does have more weight than other events. Nats have more than provincials.. And so forth. There is a guide line and a structure to rankings. But it's not the soul factor.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2012 14:40:30 GMT -5
Regarding formats. I beleive a supermatchs is the most ideal way to showcase who is better. Trip elim is excellent as well, due to the fact that draw has less factor. Double elim is a bit tougher to gauge. And 1 match?!! At a provincials once a wanted to test the head ref during prelims, so I hit before the "R" on ready. He never called it, i pinned my unprepared opponent and he was pissed. So I beat him right? I placed higher than him right?? However, the evidence of me being the better puller can be considered suspect. It's about gathering as much info as possible, the more the volume of pulling (ie s match) the easier it is to determine dominance.
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Post by Dave McEwen on Jan 13, 2012 17:25:42 GMT -5
Chris Rob Graham should be ranked again he won at Harriston in nov. thanks in advance , Dave
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2012 17:45:27 GMT -5
That's correct Dave. He will be added. Thanks for info
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Post by Allen The Hitman Ford on Jan 13, 2012 20:08:45 GMT -5
Regarding formats. I beleive a supermatchs is the most ideal way to showcase who is better. Trip elim is excellent as well, due to the fact that draw has less factor. Double elim is a bit tougher to gauge. And 1 match?!! At a provincials once a wanted to test the head ref during prelims, so I hit before the "R" on ready. He never called it, i pinned my unprepared opponent and he was pissed. So I beat him right? I placed higher than him right?? However, the evidence of me being the better puller can be considered suspect. It's about gathering as much info as possible, the more the volume of pulling (ie s match) the easier it is to determine dominance. So I guess The format of the Provincials or Nat's need to change cause they are not an accurate gage of a persons true placement in the Provence or Contry. Another question is if Brian does not armwrestle this year does that mean that I have to wait till he is taken off the list till I get the #1 spot? Because if He doesn't come to MGC and I win technical I should not get his spot even then! |
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Post by John Milne on Jan 14, 2012 1:53:02 GMT -5
Is Brian not the 198 Canadian Champion?
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Post by Mikel Gould on Jan 14, 2012 6:53:15 GMT -5
Im thinking we should settle this at the Golden Horshoe or the MGC. Maybe 3out a 5. I could put something together for you guys if your interested. It would settle the question but i would have to talk with Brian cause i dont think he is upset with his ranking and the last time i seen him he was about 180 soaking wet.
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Post by Allen The Hitman Ford on Jan 14, 2012 11:08:47 GMT -5
Yes John, Brian is 198 champ and that's where he normally competes. That is what I am saying about the rankings It's kinda unfair due to the lack of all the weight classes. The rankings should reflect the actual classes that are being used eg. the north American rankings lacking the 85kg class!
Mike a supermatch would be cool especially at your tournament but because you are running the 187lbs class I would really like to win that cause it represents the wight I compete at. Heck I may even compete in the 220's depending on How I feel and who is there!
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Post by John Milne on Jan 14, 2012 11:34:19 GMT -5
Unfair??? Imagine someone who weighs 200 lbs (or so). The next bracket is 242!
It's not about "fair" , it's about numbers. Promoters will do events that make them money or at least won't cost them any. If the entries aren't there - the class wont be there, simple as that.
I doubt there are enough pullers in Ontario or perhaps even Canada to warrant a 187 ranking. I hear what you're saying but I doubt it's going to happen. A similar thing was raised about a 220 ranking. There are WAY more 220 class guys than 187 guys and we don't have a class yet.
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Post by Rick Heidebrecht on Jan 14, 2012 14:52:16 GMT -5
There are two ways to do the ranking: 1) based on points, where all tournament placings, or individual matches, are assigned a point value and tallied up to give a definitive winner (similar to the Puller of the Year system), or, 2) a subjective system, where someone puts in the time to go through the stats and make the best possible educated guess.
There is no room for overlap between the two styles. Just like you can't use a points-based system but take into account extenuating circumstances (injury, low turn-out, etc.), you can't use a subjective system and ignore such circumstances (for example, a win over a higher-ranked puller right after they've had a long match). Most notably, this has been an issue with people winning a provincial or national title and not moving up in rank accordingly. It takes nothing away from TITLE of National Champion, but as far as rankings go, it does matter HOW you got there (who you had to pull, size of the class).
With subjective rankings, you simply have to trust that the person compiling them is doing the job to the best of their ability; there's no way around that. And, until a unified points system is put in place for all of North America (not likely) subjective rankings are really the only option.
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Post by John Milne on Jan 14, 2012 15:42:09 GMT -5
Excellent post Rick.
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Post by Ashley Maher on Jan 15, 2012 10:39:01 GMT -5
Nice post Rick:
It must be a lot of work to keep on top of the rankings no matter how it's done. I have my own suggestion to make which hopefully does not make things to much more difficult.
I would like to see more girls show up at tournaments.
So I would like Chris or who ever to start a 0-143 ranking for women in Ontario. I think that if women see that they are ranked below or above some one close to thier own weight that it may encourage them to come out and participate.
I chose 143lbs because it seems to be the best weight to divide the women, not because of my weight I'm only 121lbs.
I know this will create more work and I know that there aren't very many women out there but, I think that if we can get the women on here flapping thier gums like the guys are doing than the numbers will grow. lol Just joking guys Joey made me say that.
Seriously when you look at Armwrestling in Ontario everything is good except the numbers for women. So I will work on that if you guys will do your part.
I would like to see the Mike gould classic be the start of this new ranking division. By agreeing to this I think that if we put the word out that this is happening we may get new interest even if it is one girl at a time.
Thanks Ashley
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Post by Mikel Gould on Jan 15, 2012 11:44:45 GMT -5
Very Good post Ashley
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 12:24:36 GMT -5
Ashley, I think adding a women's 0-143 ranking is a great idea and could only help increase interest in the sport. However I think volume is an issue. How many active 0-143 female pullers are there in Ontario? 5, 6? I beleive Mike ran a 0-143 class at his classic before. I do not recall there bring many in that class.
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