WHY?

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Curious to know what the reasoning that thing that were voted on and passed by the "MAJORITY" have been mysteriously changed behind closed doors. ie: Provincials were supposed to be moved to next fall. You had to attend one circuit event to attend Nats. This was voted on and passed unanimously. Now apparently with no ones knowledge it has been moved to next spring 3 weeks after the MGC. First I dont think it should have been moved without popular vote and second this is a ridiculous thing to do to Mike Gould.

Secondly it was voted on unanimously that Scott MacInnis would be brought to provincials to video. I was told that was getting squashed as well. It was stated that the funds were not there. No mention of that was made during voting that it was not financially feasible. So where did the funds go? Or maybe a better question is, where are they planning to get spent.

Seems that the transparency that was promised is getting clouded in the these secret decisions? These lists are nice but a simple explanation would have been paramount immediately before changing something so specifically voted on.

[Craig Mitchell]

Not sure you will get any answers soon GUY. I think all the Ontario Big Wigs are in Poland..Great time for a take over!!! lol U Old Bastard..

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Didnt intend any takeover Mr Mitchell, lol, just found out and got confirmed and it pissed me off. So I posted the question. I actually forgot about Poland.

Be interested to know what others think?

[Craig Mitchell]

JK about the takeover... I heard all OAA C.S. events entries are $25 per arm not 30 But at the Western's they were 30.. So they will be less or no incentives. Wasn't the OAA membership fee now $35 instead of $30 so Scott can film the Provincials? As for the Area Leads that's another topic

[Maksim Khodau]

Sept 2, 2013 15:34:23 GMT -5 @windo said:

Curious to know what the reasoning that thing that were voted on and passed by the "MAJORITY" have been mysteriously changed behind closed doors. ie: Provincials were supposed to be moved to next fall. You had to attend one circuit event to attend Nats. This was voted on and passed unanimously. Now apparently with no ones knowledge it has been moved to next spring 3 weeks after the MGC. First I dont think it should have been moved without popular vote and second this is a ridiculous thing to do to Mike Gould.

Secondly it was voted on unanimously that Scott MacInnis would be brought to provincials to video. I was told that was getting squashed as well. It was stated that the funds were not there. No mention of that was made during voting that it was not financially feasible. So where did the funds go? Or maybe a better question is, where are they planning to get spent.

Seems that the transparency that was promised is getting clouded in the these secret decisions? These lists are nice but a simple explanation would have been paramount immediately before changing something so specifically voted on.

I would really like an official confirmation of whether what Guy stated is true. If in fact it is, I am just as confused.... My understanding was that it was voted that no Provincials was going to take place due to time constraints, and that a requirement to qualify for the Nationals would be an attendance of two (or was it one?) circuit tournaments. Although I'm not against actually having the Provincials, I would have simply liked an official notification / explanation.

I am also unclear as to why the arrangement with Scott MacInnis would no longer be financially feasible as the members did agree to pay higher membership fee to support this venture going forward...

As I mentioned above, I would really like an official statement clarifying on what is going on...

[Eric Roussin]

While I don't know what decisions may have been made since this year's Provincials, I can confirm that the following decisions were made during this year's AGM:

1) As there will not be another Ontario Provincial Championship prior to the 2014 Nationals, for 2014 only, the qualification criteria for attending Nationals will simply be that you must compete in at least one OAA event (either sanctioned or circuit sanctioned) over the course of the 2013-14 OAA season (i.e. at least one event between now and October 2014).

2) The OAA will enlist the services of Scott MacInnis of Armsport Videos to professionally film the next two Provincial Championships (up to and including the 2015 Provincials), with the video being posted online and free for all to see. The OAA will cover the cost of Scott's travel and accommodation arrangements. To help offset some of this cost, the price of an OAA Annual Membership will be raised to $35 as of 2014.

The location of the 2014 Provincials was voted on and they will be held in Scarborough. Mike Gould will host and the tentative date is November 8th, 2014.

[Craig Mitchell]

To Maksim ,Guy and Eric why don't you guys ask your Area Leaders what the heck is going on??.. lol hahaha

[Jason Manjin]

This board is starting to get fun again!! I am entertained!!! Guy Windover is correct, yup I said it but it-won't happen again I Am sure!!

[Chantal Leduc]

Thanks Eric for the summary... i'd posted a request for this and it didn't take.. not sure why.

Until Joey says any further, I presume things are status quo.....


I'm sure that Joey will clarify when he gets back from Poland.

C.

[Joey Costello]

Sept 2, 2013 15:34:23 GMT -5 @windo said:

Curious to know what the reasoning that thing that were voted on and passed by the "MAJORITY" have been mysteriously changed behind closed doors. ie: Provincials were supposed to be moved to next fall. You had to attend one circuit event to attend Nats. This was voted on and passed unanimously. Now apparently with no ones knowledge it has been moved to next spring 3 weeks after the MGC. First I dont think it should have been moved without popular vote and second this is a ridiculous thing to do to Mike Gould.

Secondly it was voted on unanimously that Scott MacInnis would be brought to provincials to video. I was told that was getting squashed as well. It was stated that the funds were not there. No mention of that was made during voting that it was not financially feasible. So where did the funds go? Or maybe a better question is, where are they planning to get spent.

Seems that the transparency that was promised is getting clouded in the these secret decisions? These lists are nice but a simple explanation would have been paramount immediately before changing something so specifically voted on.

Here are your answers Guy:
It is not common for any President to entertain a voting process regarding major decision's on an election day.
While this was happening during our AGM I had nothing to say regarding any of these matters because the facts weren't made clear to me. We were voting on some things that could not possibly happen based on the facts that we later learned.

The financial state of the OAA is a priority for me, and any decision's that were voted on at the AGM that took money out of the OAA's account can not be honored.

I'm not interested in where the money has gone or spent because that is in the past.
The future is how do we make it back.

The Provincials has been moved to next spring approximately 3 weeks after MGC.
The reason is that the OAA needs to generate some revenue and the Provincials is one way we can do it.
Another reason is that the members of the OAA compete throughout the year with one main goal and that is to compete at the provincials to see where they stand at the end of the year.
The thought of not having a Provincial championship is out of the question.
When the decision was made to have a Provincial Championship Mike was the first one we called, to see if he was ok with this and offer the event to him.

Scott taping the Provincials was voted and pasted.
The OAA membership was raised to $35 to offset this cost. Problem is there is no money for the rest of the expenses to bring Scott here.

The list for Area leads is completed and the situation will soon become clear.
I hope that has answered your questions Guy, an e-mail will be released in the very near future to all the area leads with all the information on it. It will have the decisions on it that have been made and it will have on it proposals that need to be voted on for our future moving forward.

Joey

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Sept 10, 2013 8:42:12 GMT -5 Joey Costello said:

Sept 2, 2013 15:34:23 GMT -5 @windo said:

Curious to know what the reasoning that thing that were voted on and passed by the "MAJORITY" have been mysteriously changed behind closed doors. ie: Provincials were supposed to be moved to next fall. You had to attend one circuit event to attend Nats. This was voted on and passed unanimously. Now apparently with no ones knowledge it has been moved to next spring 3 weeks after the MGC. First I dont think it should have been moved without popular vote and second this is a ridiculous thing to do to Mike Gould.

Secondly it was voted on unanimously that Scott MacInnis would be brought to provincials to video. I was told that was getting squashed as well. It was stated that the funds were not there. No mention of that was made during voting that it was not financially feasible. So where did the funds go? Or maybe a better question is, where are they planning to get spent.

Seems that the transparency that was promised is getting clouded in the these secret decisions? These lists are nice but a simple explanation would have been paramount immediately before changing something so specifically voted on.

Here are your answers Guy:
It is not common for any President to entertain a voting process regarding major decision's on an election day.
While this was happening during our AGM I had nothing to say regarding any of these matters because the facts weren't made clear to me. We were voting on some things that could not possibly happen based on the facts that we later learned.

The financial state of the OAA is a priority for me, and any decision's that were voted on at the AGM that took money out of the OAA's account can not be honored.

I'm not interested in where the money has gone or spent because that is in the past.
The future is how do we make it back.

The Provincials has been moved to next spring approximately 3 weeks after MGC.
The reason is that the OAA needs to generate some revenue and the Provincials is one way we can do it.
Another reason is that the members of the OAA compete throughout the year with one main goal and that is to compete at the provincials to see where they stand at the end of the year.
The thought of not having a Provincial championship is out of the question.
When the decision was made to have a Provincial Championship Mike was the first one we called, to see if he was ok with this and offer the event to him.

Scott taping the Provincials was voted and pasted.
The OAA membership was raised to $35 to offset this cost. Problem is there is no money for the rest of the expenses to bring Scott here.

The list for Area leads is completed and the situation will soon become clear.
I hope that has answered your questions Guy, an e-mail will be released in the very near future to all the area leads with all the information on it. It will have the decisions on it that have been made and it will have on it proposals that need to be voted on for our future moving forward.

Joey

First off thank you for responding. I can see some of the conclusions, but think you missed the point of my post.

These decisions, able or not, were made with EXTENSIVE discussion by the MEMBERSHIP. They were voted on, and PASSED. At this juncture, discussion should have taken place BEFORE any action was taken. This undermines completely any credibility this AREA LEADS suggestion may have if decisions by the MEMBERSHIP will be passed over because you dont like, or agree with the decision, right or wrong.

Lengthy discussion was had about provincials, the MEMBERSHIP agreed that having it in the spring would run into other events. It was discussed at length and decided fall would be best. Mike bid and received the provincials. I dont know if you are aware but the MGC takes Mike to his limits. He is quite exhausted after this event because he puts everything he has, time, money, effort into CANADAS LARGEST event. Trying to put on another event within 3 weeks is not acceptable in my book. I am saying this without Mikes knowledge because I like the big guy. Was Mike asked to move it? Or told it was moving anyway and he could do it or you would find someone else? Not only will this be taxing on Mike, how do you think turnout will be affected within weeks of the MGC? I think more than you realize. Which may totally nullify your purpose for moving it.

Several times you have stated about the financial aspect of the OAA, and yet say "
I'm not interested in where the money has gone or spent because that is in the past". Well I think the MEMBERSHIP may be. No one thinks the OAA is rolling in money, that would be naive. But a major portion of covering Scotts expense could be easily done with the other either sponsored or donated by outside. Was this even considered? Again this was discussed by the MEMBERSHIP voted on and PASSED. Cancelled with no discussion?

So each year that we vote on Executive, no new voting issues should be made?
I think this Area Leads suggestion is not a bad idea. But with the current decisions being made I am anything but optimistic that the MEMBERSHIP will be anything more than a pawn. I am excusing myself from the position.

On another note I have noticed that several posts and major portions of threads have been removed. The last time this happened another board was formed. This is not a dictatorship but a forum for discussion. I dont always like or agree with what is posted, but I have the option of clicking my mouse and going elsewhere.

I would like to hear from others on this as well, with some constructive input.

Am I completely out to lunch on all this???

[Rob Hancock]

I think all of the recent posts about "Third Extremity Counterbalance" are inappropriate and should be deleted. These posts are wasting space on our message board. There are far more important things that need to be discussed immediately. Too many to list here right now, I'll post one a week so people can have a chance to respond. I support deleting posts and banning anyone (from out of province or not) that consistently make inappropriate comments towards others on our board! I would expect to be banned for consistently making inappropriate comments against others on another province's message board.

[Deleted]

So you get to decide what and who gets deleted now Rob? Is this little tidbit worthy?

Aug 27, 2013 0:40:57 GMT -5 Rob Hancock said:

Signing up a bunch of non pullers etc. to get voted in as OAA president is sketchy, but acceptable given your experience in armwrestling. This would not have been tolerated if a non armwrestler was voted in as president of the OAA. Being paid members gives them the right to vote, not make decisions for the rest of us! These leads should be people that consistanly run, ref, scorekeep or pull OAA tournaments. I don't really care what a "once in a blue moon" puller thinks is good for the OAA, and I care even less about what their non armwrestling spouse thinks. Exactly how were these leads chosen, and by who? Important voting positions like these leads should be elected by the members, just like the executive. I think this list is missing a few names of people that pulled provincials? I also think that some very experienced candidates aren't on the list since they weren't at provincials? Why wasn't the message board used to look for volunteers, vote or get the members input? I strongly disagree with some of these chosen leads.

Or is it only ok when you decide it is??? Seems like we have far to many police on this board now!!

[Chantal Leduc]

My concern is that the situation concerning Scott is now publicly debated and can be publicly viewed; i just hope that, out of respect for Scott, he has been officially spoken to prior to this public debate.... not a good way to do business even though i understand the predicament....

[Deleted]

He is aware Chantal, although I dont know if the Authorities have talked to him officially. Should have been the first call before making it official though you would think. I know it wasnt.