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Post by Allen The Hitman Ford on Jan 21, 2011 11:38:28 GMT -5
The Ottawa High Hookers are known for being very technical and this is why we often are the dominating force at many tournaments. Now that being said you do need the strength to implement the technique and if you can do this fast in my case you kick ass. When I have lost to someone it was because their technique and their ability to implement it was better than mine, or just worked against mine by stopping me from doing what I wanted. But I often beat people who are much stronger than me and that is all technique and speed. Now the reason I thing weight training will be helpful is to limit the times that someone is able to stop me from doing what I want to and to have more strength to not get out of position or to get back into position when I lose it. So I guess what I am saying is that this discussion can could go on forever because depending on the situation strength, technique, and speed are interchangeable in there importance and depending on the situation each one of them can be the front runner in importance and none are more or less important than the other because they all make up the sport of armwrestling.  |
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Jan 21, 2011 11:40:58 GMT -5
Bilal, I will say that Devon is stronger than John. I will also say that Devon is technically far superior to John as well. In my opinion John really has no chance vs Devon over 6 rounds or even over 3. Back to the video. Any way you look at it or break it down. Technique won that match for me. Jeff is stronger and there is no question. I applied my strength better using "technique". We all know that you need to be strong enough to apply your chosen technique so I'm not saying strength has no part, just that technique should not be over looked. There are times when the only advantage you may have is a technical one and you must capitalize on that. John, I agree with about 80% of what you are saying. I DO agree technique is very important, but I also truly believe that strength is 75% and technique is 25%. If you have very strong tendons and muscles and your hook is rediculous and you know how to defend a top roll, how much can he use his technique against you? P.S. Great match btw. I just watched it again. Much respect. |
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Jan 21, 2011 11:44:34 GMT -5
The Ottawa High Hookers are known for being very tecnical and this is why we often are the dominating force at manny tournaments. Now that being said you do need the strength to implement the technique and if you can do this fast in my case you kick ass. When I have lost to somone it was because their technique and there ability to implement it was better than mine, or just worked against mine by stopping me from doing what I wanted. But I often beat people who are stronger than me and that is all technique and speed. Now the reason I thing weight training will be helpfull is to limmit the times that somone is able to stop me from doing what I want to and to have more strength to not get out of position or to get back into position when I lose it. Allen I have watched videos of you arm wrestle and I followed your Wipeout Canada news as well. I have to say though, at your level of the game, technique can no longer get your further ahead becuase you have excellent technique and speed. If you want to be #1 in the world, you need to get a lot stronger/bigger. These guys that go up against you are rediculously jacked. I'm not saying you are not strong, but at 15"-16" your strength can only go so far. When you go up against a guy with forarms as big as your thighs, you can't really say his strength wont play a factor against you. |
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Jan 21, 2011 11:47:03 GMT -5
Technique comes into effect at all levels of armwrestling. The more you know, the further you will get. You use your technique to out smart your opponent at the table. To get the easy win. I have always used technique mostly because I have not always been the strongest at the table. In short, I believe that John is right in what he is saying. Make sure you learn great technique. Jef, you may not have been the strongest, but you were not weak either. The reson technique played such a big part is because your strength levels were not way off. If you pull Devon Laratt right now, and let's pretend for arguments sake that your techique is superior, Devon will still win because the man is a BEAST. His strength is close to being unmatched in my opinion. Yes he's technical, but he's a frickin BEAST and a very very strong dude. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2011 12:06:00 GMT -5
Jeff and John are two most cerebral, technical pullers I know. They are also, with Devon exceptional teachers. All three have taught me alot. As I look back to my previous posts it's evident to me that my viewpoint in one dimensional, stubborn and self serving. I stand behind my philosophy on this topic, as it has served me well in this sport. That being said, if a newbie aw'er is looking for sound advice on this topic. Jeff and John are as credible as it gets. My posts should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Post by Bill Cameron on Jan 21, 2011 13:59:36 GMT -5
i think this guy should get atleast one comp under his belt befor he starts bashing everyones imput im also very new to the sport and no first hand that technique will beat me every time with a guy of my size and as for guys that are supper strong and right riped i have been there to and crushed them with technique and i dont have much of that but i will beat him with the little i do have what im tryin to say is come to Guys comp and see what were all talkin about befor you say to much i hope to see you pull in the pro aswell cuz you will crush everyone in the ams see you there Bilal i hope you do well no hard feelings just my 2 cents cant waIT LETS GET IT ON EVERYONE.PEACE OUT
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Jan 21, 2011 15:32:08 GMT -5
i think this guy should get atleast one comp under his belt befor he starts bashing everyones imput im also very new to the sport and no first hand that technique will beat me every time with a guy of my size and as for guys that are supper strong and right riped i have been there to and crushed them with technique and i dont have much of that but i will beat him with the little i do have what im tryin to say is come to Guys comp and see what were all talkin about befor you say to much i hope to see you pull in the pro aswell cuz you will crush everyone in the ams see you there Bilal i hope you do well no hard feelings just my 2 cents cant waIT LETS GET IT ON EVERYONE.PEACE OUT Don't take it so personal dude. It's just a discussion. If you can't have an intelligent discussion, why get involved in the first place? All that "this guy" talk is kind of disrespectful. See you at Guy's competition. After I finish the amateur class, win or lose, we'll pull. I may not know much, but I'll demonstrate first hand that strength goes a long way :-) |
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Post by Bill Cameron on Jan 21, 2011 16:15:56 GMT -5
hold on a min "dude" cool your jets this guy dont get personal what you cant take a little heat or what im just sayin get a comp under your belt befor you say that its 75% strength i have done alot of amateur comp and thought i was strong then i went to pro and got my ass kicked with technique thats what i no i have been there
P.S sorry it took so long to right back i dont type that good "INTELLIGENTS" isnt my strong suit
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Jan 21, 2011 16:52:00 GMT -5
hold on a min "dude" cool your jets this guy dont get personal what you cant take a little heat or what im just sayin get a comp under your belt befor you say that its 75% strength i have done alot of amateur comp and thought i was strong then i went to pro and got my ass kicked with technique thats what i no i have been there P.S sorry it took so long to right back i dont type that good "INTELLIGENTS" isnt my strong suit take a little heat? we were having a good discussion and you come into the 5th page of the thread saying how I shouldnt really be talking about how important one thing is over another because I haven't competed. You're right. I know nothing about arm wrestling. In fact, you know a shitload more than I know. Nothing wrong with that. We all start somewhere. I just respect everyone and expect people to respect me in return. Anyways man, you are welcome to come join us and pull with us anyday. |
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Post by Bill Cameron on Jan 21, 2011 17:33:35 GMT -5
i was not trying to disrespect you man and if i did sorry im just having a little fun all im saying is i have been in your shoes and i think you will look at armwrestling a little different after you have been to a few comps i was realy lookin forward to meeting you i ment no disrespect im not like that and if you thought i was saying i was better then you i would never say that about anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2011 18:04:24 GMT -5
Bilal Bill definitely meant no disrespect, but lately you have been getting on here, and you may see it as discussion, but man, it seems like you really have this arm wreslting thing already figured out and everyone else is wrong. I personally think like everyone else in this sport, you are in for the surprise of your life. If a certain someone shows up, who has never pulled before in his life, who wants to come here Monday night for some tips, shows the day of the event, you will not win as you thought. I will put money on it. But this same person will not even place in the open class, or possibly even cause a ripple, except his size, in the opens. When people say they have seen it before, you think they are making it up??? It truly comes down to, show it on the table, not on a board. Show it consistently. Some have a great tournament, then show up a year later. Where were they?  Healing. Honestly I mean absolutely no disrespect to you. I LOVE your enthusiasm. But dont be so quick to think you have it figured out, or that others dont know what they are talking about. Practice is all nice and crap, but gladiators die in the arena. Thats where the injuries come to life. Personally I am the worlds worst pracitcer. I suck at practice. I try to rise at tournaments. I have seen others who are unbeatable in practice, but suck at tournament time. Tournament and the intensity, change the dynamic completely. See you next weekend, we can talk better after your first foreay. |
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Post by Fayez Moutassem on Jan 21, 2011 18:48:33 GMT -5
Bilal trains with us every saturday for the last 4 months and he is super strong and has quickly learned many techiniques. he has a destructive shoulder press hit which i can't stop and has an excellent top roll.. He is improving rapidly. some people say he shouldn't be talking much because he has never competed at a tournament but i believe that is irrelevant because he trains and learns from the best every weekend (big rick, jeff king, dave, and others). I believe that this site is becoming more active and exciting thanks to Bilal. In addition, we are all learning from reading different opinions from the different topics being opened. I am pretty sure Bill Cameron didnt mean any disrespect because he is one of the nicest guys I've met. In fact, most of the arm-wrestling guys i've met are very nice and helpful. we cant wait to see you guys and pull with you next weekend  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2011 19:16:05 GMT -5
Guy, Bilal IS green and unproven in this sport. But I think his arguments are sound and valid. As far as his brash, arrogant attitude.... I FUC#%IN LOVE IT!! I hope he rips through the novice class Next weekend and continues training. Weather he is still in this sport in a year, who knows?? But for the sake of this oaa board... I fu%kin hope so, for It sorely needs his enthusiasm and non-diplomacy.
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Post by John Milne on Jan 21, 2011 21:14:27 GMT -5
I kinda like having this brash newcomer around. Kinda reminds me of The Grippler.. except not as OSOME
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Jan 21, 2011 23:13:23 GMT -5
i was not trying to disrespect you man and if i did sorry im just having a little fun all im saying is i have been in your shoes and i think you will look at armwrestling a little different after you have been to a few comps i was realy lookin forward to meeting you i ment no disrespect im not like that and if you thought i was saying i was better then you i would never say that about anyone. Thank you for the appology. No hard done. Shit, I'm looking forward to meeting everyone on here!!! |
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Healing. Honestly I mean absolutely no disrespect to you. I LOVE your enthusiasm. But dont be so quick to think you have it figured out, or that others dont know what they are talking about. Practice is all nice and crap, but gladiators die in the arena. Thats where the injuries come to life.
