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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 23:46:39 GMT -5
And if it isn't removed his and his family's support of the sport will likely be reduced ,theres not enough pullers now or suport of this sport. Do we really want to piss competitor's off? I doubt promoters would like it .There is way too little in the west now. Why do you think Al didn't post the results from the western's ? But Eric think's everything is hunky dory ,but it's not . Man leaves sport due to his ranking position = pathetic. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 23:49:16 GMT -5
There has to be a way to make Rob happy while keeping the integrity of the rankings. I'm surprised that there is not even an open discussion about it. Not only that but I'm kinda surprised at the taunting toward Rob. I don't think the Segal video was appropriate. Rob has armwrestled for several years and continues to support events (with his entire family competing when all classes are offered) and I think he deserves more respect than that. I don't know who is right in this argument (removal of the name) and I don't really have an opinion either way. I can see merits to both sides but we should at least try to keep it respectful. Rob has paid his dues and still is. Regardless if one likes him or not he deserves his earned respect. How is this done John? Removing a name per request, leaves a door open for any puller not happy with their ranking. Integrity is compromised. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 23:55:47 GMT -5
You are Surprised with the "taunting" John? Really?? He threatened to seek a lawyer to fight another mans opinion of his ability in comparison to others.
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Nov 8, 2012 1:07:41 GMT -5
I think Rob has every right to request and have his name removed.
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Post by Rob Hancock on Nov 8, 2012 1:40:32 GMT -5
Hey Chris, The fact that you think you know more about armwrestling in Ontario than some of the OAA's most senior pullers is ridiculous! Why do you have an empty spot in the heavyweight right hand rankings? I pulled heavy right and placed top 5 at both circuits? I know you hate to admit I exist, but I really do. Here's another example to prove my point. Tamara Mitts is the current lightweight ladies left hand provincial champion. Why isn't she ranked on the left hand if your rankings are so accuate? These are just a couple of examples why your rankings are not accurate.
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Post by John Milne on Nov 8, 2012 6:40:50 GMT -5
There has to be a way to make Rob happy while keeping the integrity of the rankings. I'm surprised that there is not even an open discussion about it. Not only that but I'm kinda surprised at the taunting toward Rob. I don't think the Segal video was appropriate. Rob has armwrestled for several years and continues to support events (with his entire family competing when all classes are offered) and I think he deserves more respect than that. I don't know who is right in this argument (removal of the name) and I don't really have an opinion either way. I can see merits to both sides but we should at least try to keep it respectful. Rob has paid his dues and still is. Regardless if one likes him or not he deserves his earned respect. How is this done John? Removing a name per request, leaves a door open for any puller not happy with their ranking. Integrity is compromised. I know Chris, it's a difficult spot you're in. I don't know the answer. I'm more toward the sides that has the names kept in place to keep rankings as accurate as possible but Rob obviously feels very strong about this. |
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Post by John Milne on Nov 8, 2012 6:43:29 GMT -5
You are Surprised with the "taunting" John? Really?? He threatened to seek a lawyer to fight another mans opinion of his ability in comparison to others. I don't think Rob was taunting anyone. I think he's serious about this and he didn't do it to provoke. Whereas Jerry's video was solely at the expense of Rob and hinders any serious conversation about the subject. |
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Post by Joey Costello on Nov 8, 2012 7:28:11 GMT -5
Chris i'm not interested in getting into this with you or jerry but I feel that by not following his request that Rob has made that your comments would fall into the category of bullying.
Jerry: a poll might be a great idea if not for all the bullying that has gone on here in the past long time, and the poll will be about as accurate as the rankings are.
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Post by Hugh Brodie on Nov 8, 2012 8:00:38 GMT -5
Solution: Rob is ranked #17. Publish only the top 16. The integrity of the list is not affected, and everyone is happy (except maybe #18, 19, and 20).
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Post by Rob Hancock on Nov 8, 2012 8:49:41 GMT -5
Hugh is referring to the heavyweight left hand rankings. Problem is:
17-me
15 & 16 are two poeople I've never heard of.
13 & 14 have NEVER beaten me!
12 has only beaten me once and I came back and crushed him (both hands) at the next tournament a month later.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 9:58:22 GMT -5
Hugh... Ya that makes sense to preserve integrity, remove spots to accommodate 1 man. (Shaking head)
Rob, I stand corrected.. You should and will be ranked #20 right hand. I never claimed I thought I knew more than anyone. I'm just a guy that does the rankings and will defend, express and alter any of my decisions, Tamara is a 143 stud, but this is an open class rankings.
I think i do a decent job with the rankings, but do not pretend to know all. If anyone believes that they can do a better job, feel free to contact Jerry.
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Post by Rob Hancock on Nov 8, 2012 10:43:38 GMT -5
Check the results from last year's provinvial championships. Ladies lightweight left hand,
!st Tamara, 2nd Lori Laroque, 3rd Linda deGroot, 4th Tanya Morrissette. Open or not, Lori and Tanya have NEVER beaten Tamara.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 11:00:51 GMT -5
Your correct rob. Tamara should be ranked higher then them. Next update
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Post by Jerry Milne on Nov 8, 2012 15:06:36 GMT -5
I am still thinking about this as to how it should be handled. I do see both sides but I see one side carrying more weight to it.
Here are my thoughts.
Excluding active pullers from rankings just doesn't give a complete picture. How would it look if Crazy George, Brian Tamblyn, or Devon asked to be removed from the rankings? How credible would the rankings be if these guys weren't on the list? You would never see this done in any other sport. The In The Hook rankings aren't official in any way -- they aren't recognized or sanctioned by any formal armwrestling association. Nonetheless, these rankings, along with Engin's world rankings, are currently referenced by many in the sport to see who the best active pullers are.
And unless Rob is accusing Chris of defamation (i.e. he thinks Chris is purposefully ranking him too low without basis, and this is significantly tarnishing Rob's reputation), then there's no reason Chris would be legally obliged to take off his name. There is no personal or confidential information on the site, just a name.
Can someone ask for their name not to be posted in the tournament results if he competed in the tournament? It doesn't make sense to me. I don't see the rankings any differently. He should just stop looking at the site.
Also, I also think this type of rankings list is comparable to other lists found on websites or in magazines. When Sports Illustrated publishes a list of the top 100 hockey players of all time, does every one agree with who makes the list and in what order? No, and that's fine -- these lists, and the In The Hook rankings, are not based on a pure mathematical system. People are bound to disagree, but you wouldn't see a hockey player on the list write to the magazine and ask for his name to be removed. That would be ridiculous.
If a puller doesn't think he is ranked correctly, he should state his case. Then, if justified, updates can be made.
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Post by Bilal Kreidieh on Nov 8, 2012 15:31:38 GMT -5
In Chris's defense, It's really hard to keep up with these rankings. If A beats B and B beats C, then C beats A, who's ranked higher?
I see both sides make a strong point and I'm just confused as to why Rob wants his name removed. If this is in any way affecting his job or career or something along those lines, then it should be removed no questions asked...but if this is just because he feels he should be ranked higher, then he should just beat those ranked higher than him and prove it....just my 2 cents. Take it with a grain of salt.
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