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Post by Will Sarty on Nov 9, 2012 17:03:31 GMT -5
I've got 11 titles, undefeated, beat Maksim, trever, rejean, Roy, straub, Goodsell, and a top 4 at the worlds where I defeated Dymtri from Ukraine. Your judgement can kiss my A $$
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2012 17:09:01 GMT -5
I've got 11 titles, undefeated, beat Maksim, trever, rejean, Roy, straub, Goodsell, and a top 4 at the worlds. Your judgement can kiss my A $$ 11 Titles at 132 & 143's (with an average of 2-3 guys in your class). Zero titles in 154's. This is a 154 ranking we are referring to. |
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Post by Jason Manjin on Nov 9, 2012 19:56:04 GMT -5
Because the rankings are not affiliated with the OAA in any way, the OAA has no grounds for enforcement. I think the best strategy to adopt if you feel you aren't ranked correctly would be to say why you feel this way by stating your recent relevant wins and losses, but I would also suggest providing examples of the wins and losses of the pullers ranked ahead of you. When I maintained the rankings, I occasionally mis-ranked pullers, either due to my having incomplete information, or simply due to an oversight. But if information was brought to my attention and I felt there were grounds for revisions, I would update the rankings. Rob, I'd bet that Chris is either currently reviewing (or plans on reviewing) your recent tournament history to see if he's overlooked anything. Sometime results don't provide full information. For example, at the Oct 20th tournament you placed one spot ahead of Tony Brooks with the left. Did you guys actually pull? In a doule elimination tournament, it could be possible that you did not. However if you did, I think Chris will take this into consideration. Did anyone read Eric's post above?? This is some good truth. Thank you Chris for doing the rankings and putting forth your best effort and putting up with some people's emotional babbling bullsh*t. I know Eric took a sh$t kicking as well, and I alway's supported him. I know he was likely tarnishing some people's good names, h*ll maybe even bullying people being the prez and all. Although... HE always had me ranked too low the bastard...I am forever emotionally scared from the experience |
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Post by Rob Hancock on Nov 10, 2012 5:18:58 GMT -5
What part of Jamieson Lalonde has never beaten me don't you understand Chris? Results from the 2010 Central Championships are as follows:
Men's left 243+
1. Cameron Clarke
2. Devon Larratt
3. Joe Gould
4. Chris Gobby
5. Tony Brooks
6. Rob Hancock
7. Jamieson Lalonde
8. Jeff Oosterveld
9. Shawn Coonishish
Men's right 243+
1. Devon Larratt
2. Mike Gould
3. Rob Hancock
4. Joe Gould
5. Jeff Oosterveld
6. Tony Brooks
7. Jamieson Lalonde
8. Cameron Clarke
9. Shawn Coonishish
Tony Brooks placed ahead of me on the left but did not pull me. I placed ahead of Jamieson Lalonde and I did beat him that day. I placed higher on the right hand than 4 people that have always been ranked higher than me and are still ranked higher than me today?
Results from the 2011 Central Ontario Championships are as follows:
Men's left 243+
1. Rick Heidebrecht
2. Joe Gould
3. Jeff Ooserveld
4. Dave Drumm
5. Eric Roussin
6. Rob Hancock
7. Gerald Ronald
8. Jacob Windover
9. Tony Brooks
Men's right 243+
1. Rick Heidebrecht
2. Eric Roussin
3. Joe Gould
4. Dan Kadlec
5. Jeff Oosterveld
6. Rob Hancock
7. Cash McCaw
8. Mark Zalepa
9. Jacob Windover
10. Gerald Ronald
11. Tony Brooks
Again last year the results have me placed ahead of 3 higher ranked pullers on the left and 5 higher ranked pullers on the right. Cash McCaw, Jacob Windover and Jamieson Lalonde have never beaten me. Tony Brooks has only beaten me once and I've beaten him every time since then. Why are any of these guys ranked ahead of me?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2012 9:02:43 GMT -5
As for Jamison - 2-3 years ago he was green and not ranked. Since then he won the glouster fair class over Shawn jean Louis & Pierre Madison ( who had a win over Matthew coornishnish in 2012, who had a win on Grippler 2011) left arm. Mgc 2011 Jamison finished ahead of Gerald in Am's where I was hoping to see u pull. Instead u pulled masters only and lost to Phil Sadler.
As for tony- am 12 he placed ahead (and I think beat) Gerald r. 2011 provincials brooks beat Jamison right, u lost to Sadler in masters. Am 11 brooks beats Sadler. In northerns 11 tony finished ahead of you. And 2 places ahead of u in southerns. Mgc 2011 tony placed 6 th of 14 over Jamison, kerswel, t smith & Marc Andre C. Am 10 tony placed ahead of Daylan both arms (beat him too I beleive). In westerns 2011 tony placed 2nd left, Gerald was 4th, tiny 4th & you were 7 th.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2012 10:27:13 GMT -5
I do appreciate the results and specific details Rob. It's not black and white, but I ll go back and verify video footage. Thanks
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Post by Marc Vachon on Nov 10, 2012 11:24:43 GMT -5
Great job Chris.
I'll say it again, Chris tries extremely hard to be as fair as possible in these rankings as he looks at EVERY detail available to him, and uses his NON-EGO driven judgement to rank. This is (by a large part) an ego driven sport, and as I read all these posts, I think everyone needs to look at themselves in the mirror as realize you're not as good as you think you are.
If you don't like your ranking, challenge guys. If you can't meet up for some reason, challenge someone else or keep trying until you can.
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Post by Rob Hancock on Nov 10, 2012 11:40:34 GMT -5
As for Jamieson- He has never beaten me and any results that place him higher are just luck of the draw. I do however find your A vs B bs very amusing. He's a member of this board, why don't you just ask him if he's ever beaten me or if he thinks he could beat me today? If he remains silent or thinks he can then I will challenge him to a supermatch to prove it. Best of 5 or 15, no matter.
As for Tony- Tony has pulled since 2008 and I've beaten him every year. I beat him at the 2011 northerns and I don't know why he placed higher than me. I lost to Al Aubin at the 2011 westerns. Tony placed higher because he beat Al, not me. Neither one of them has ever beaten me since. Tony beat me one match at the southerns (caught me sleeping). I'm not complaining, a win is a win, he beat me fair and square. This is the only match he's ever beaten me in. I beat him on the other hand that day and every match ever since then. I threw my back out the week before the 2011 MGC so I didn't attend. I would like to say that all the provincial, national and world champions that pulled the amatuer classes at the 2011 MGC should be ashamed of themselves! Same for the tournament director that let them pull the amatuer classes. I would have pulled pro if I was there anyway. You could also ask Tony if he's ever beaten me or if he thinks he could beat me today. If he remains silent or thinks that he can beat me then he'll be my second supermatch.
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Post by Matt Wiggins on Nov 10, 2012 13:50:20 GMT -5
chris why even bother with the top 20 rankings for ontario anyway? just top 10 should be good enough. less bitchin, then more time could be spent on analizing the active, top pullers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2012 16:46:00 GMT -5
Matt, the rankings in Ontario have always been top 20. You make a good point. But I think if a vote was taken, most in that province would prefer top 20. The volume of pullers is huge and incorporates most of the them. 10-20 ranked positions are always the hardest to rank accurately.
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Post by Joey Costello on Nov 10, 2012 19:35:32 GMT -5
I'd like to know how Jodi Larrett moved above Ashley.
Without getting anyone upset, please explain how she moved ahead when she lost to Ashley at the last event that they attended.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2012 20:09:38 GMT -5
Joey, I just went through all posted results in the last 12 months and I don't see where Ashley best Jodi. Mgc of last year, Ashley placed higher than Jodie. I ll re check vids to see. I beleive that was Jodi's first event. She has been ripping through classes lately and has gone undefeated I beleive. Please bring it to my attention when & what event Ashley beat her. Thanks.
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Post by Joey Costello on Nov 11, 2012 8:34:42 GMT -5
Yes it was at the Mike Gould Classic.
On the B side Jodi was put out of the event by Tamara, but she was put on the B side by Ashley.
Ashley was pulling in 2 right hand classes that day. That should carry some wieght.
I don't know if it was her first tournament or not but if it was why didn't she pull amateurs...
Ashley did pull Amateurs the day before, that should carry some more weight, and pro 0-143 the next day beating Jodi and placing higher than Tamara, then she pulled the open pro right placing higher than Tamara again.
Ashley has also beaten Missy Manjin twice since then and Rebeca Gould. Both girls have been competing more than the girls that Jodi has been ripping thru.
Missy Manjin should also be ranked above Jodi.
There are no recognizable names on the list that Jodi has been beating.
I see in Wills post that you kept him down in rank after he beat Mike in the pro class because Mike pulled the day before..
Well ashley pulled the day before in the amateur class and in the pro class 0-143, and in the pro open class the same day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 12:44:56 GMT -5
Jodi recently beat Rebecca at the arm melter. Ashley beat Jodi in march when Jodi was green. At that time and shortly after Jodi wasn't ranked. Jodi's win over Sophie Clement at Rick's event during the summer with her other recent wins are why I ranked her in the last spot. The reason I didn't give Ashley that spot is that I believed that if they pulled at the time, Jodi would win considering her dramatic weight advantage increased experience.
Who on the list of ranked pullers has Ashley beaten? (Aside from Jodi in her first event)
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Post by Joey Costello on Nov 11, 2012 13:12:25 GMT -5
Ashley has not beaten anyone on the list above jodi but niether has Jodi. I think that Sophia Clement is Ivans wife and if it is she is also new to the competition side of Armwrestling. neither of these girls would hold a candle to Missy Manjin.
#8 and #9 are Shawna Wilson and Joanne Langois
Both girls have not competed since Nationals in Ottawa over 1 year ago, pretty hard to beat them when they don't compete.
So your conclusion is based on Jodi beating a girl at a fair that is new to the sport, Rebecca that they both have beaten, Ashley beating Missy that is apparently not worth ranking and Ashley beating Jodi in the pro class at the mike gould classic.
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