Updated Rankings from inthehook

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No, the girl I'm referring to is Ivan's daughter, an excellent and accomplished aw. Missy is not a ranked puller and Joanne Langois competed at your provincials this year.

[Fayez Moutassem]

Thanks Chris for the efforts you are putting into maintaining the top 20 rankings. Its normal for few to disagree. However, I believe that with continuous training and dedication and attending more tournaments one will eventually move up the rankings. These rankings are for fun and they get updated quite often like every month or two not every year so it should be no big deal and shouldn't be taken very seriously especially if someone is ranked between 10 and 20 which is more difficult to maintain. Keep training hard and competing and eventually you will be recognized.
anyways, out of curiosity and for the fun of it, what does it mean if no one is ranked as #20 for example? would that mean there are only 19 arm wrestling competitors in that weight class? also, if someone didnt compete for a year or more would his name be dropped out?
thanks

[Joey Costello]

I was hoping that it wouldn't come to this but i suppose that if Ashley is ever going to get on the list that she will have to move to the ottawa area or lose to jodi.
And where did Sophie compete at in the last 3 years to become so accomplished?

[Deleted]

Fayez, if there is only 19 that would mean that we can't find 20 active. However, I do not think this is the case now as new pullers have become more abundant. I ll have to go through recent results and fill in the spot (s). To be ranked one must have pulled at least 1 event in the last 12 months.

Joey, Sophie took 2nd at this years glouster fair event losing only to a 17 year old 185lb boy. Beat jodi at ricks event this summer (jodi came bk to beat her in finals). She is also a Canadian National Champion (2011). Yes, Ashley could move to Ottawa or she can just beat 1 girl on that list that isn't competing in her first event an unaware of any technique.

[Deleted]

All circumstances must be considered. Ashley beat Jodi when Jodi didn't know how to aw. Sophie beat a much more experienced Jodi who was being coached by the best and arguably the smartest aw er in the world.

[Deleted]

Joey I stand corrected. It was Joanne Lachance that competed at this years provincials not Joanne Langlois. You're right she's in active and we will be removed at the next update. This will leave 2 spots open to fill. Barring any dramatic event results, Ashley will get ranked in the open class in the next update. Thanks for bringing the inactive pullers to my attention. Keeping track of pullers activity levels is the toughest part of doing the rankings.

[Rob Hancock]

Fayez, you are mistaken if you believe pulling more tournaments and beating higher ranked pullers will move you up these rankings. I have pulled more OAA sanctioned events (since the OAA's inception in 1993) than any other puller. I have given a list of higher ranked pullers that have never beaten me, and there are more that I didn't list yet. I'm not a very serious armwrestler and I don't train, but I would like to get credit for the wins I have. As for being removed after 12 months- Shawn McDowell pulled only 1 class almost 2 years ago and should be removed from the Men's right 243+ rankins due to inactivity.

[Deleted]

Rob, you have made a sound argument on why you are not ranked accurately. I have made a sound argument on why you are ranked accurately. For any ranking position there is always an argument for and against that person's rank. Last year you called out Jamison to pull in a SuperMatch, but you never followed through. In 2 events, you avoided pulling Jamison in that respected ranked class to pull masters. If you were so keen on proving to the Armwrestling world that you are not ranked accurately why in the world did you not take the Opportunity to do so? You complain over & over again how you are overlooked and I am discriminating towards you yet skipped out on the biggest opportunity to prove me wrong.

Do not talk about the list of people u have beaten when the list of pullers That have beaten you is far greater. I would almost bet that in the history of Armwrestling in Ontario no Aw has taken more losses than you.

[Deleted]

ArmWrestling is a "man-up" sport. I ll use Daylan Thomas as the prime example. He has finished ahead of higher ranked pullers and then placed lower than lower ranked pullers. He has taken big losses and has absolutely epic wins. He and I have had the most bitter, heated and insulting comments this board has seen. Yet despite the volatility and inconsistency of his ranking position by me (due to his streaky ness & unpredictability) he calls out higher ranked pullers and takes them down. Sometimes in this sport, instead of whining and complaining its more productive to roll up ones sleeves, train and take down a target. In a "sport of men", filled with some men acting like boys... Daylan is a prime example of a MAN-UP, actions over words attitude.

[Rob Hancock]

Jamieson remained silent when I challenged him to a supermatch on this board last year. Hiding from me benefited him, not me, since he's still ranked ahead of me. I've challenged him again, so let's see if he responds and accepts the challenge this time. I support masters classes whenever offered because I'm over 40, certainly not to avoid anyone. Why would I avoid someone that has never beaten me? I always pull after every tournament and will pull anyone. I've also pulled Jamieson after the tournaments, so I know he can't beat me. I enjoy golf, but I don't want to be Tiger Woods. I like to armwrestle, but I don't want to be John Brzenk. The effort required to be at the top takes all the enjoyment out of the game for me.

[Deleted]

Supporting the masters class is a great thing to do. But there's no reason why one cannot pull both (Guy does it all the time). Especially when one takes the rankings seriously and A higher ranked puller is in the room competing.

Your consistent participation in circuit events over the years is honourable to say the least. And no one says your obliged to fulfill your physical potential. But in terms of rankings.. The more aggressively you persue the men in front of you, the quicker your likely to climb those rankings. Conversely, constantly reminding me of "those who have never beaten you" probably will not. Bitterness and contemptment lead to personal defeat not personal gain.

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In terms of after tournament pulling. I ve beaten pullers after an event that have later embarrassed me with refs & a ready go. The after pulling scene holds zero weight. And using it as ground to beleive you can beat another in tournament mode is foolish.

[Stefan Straub]

Nov 11, 2012 13:55:29 GMT -5 Fayez Moutassem said:

Thanks Chris for the efforts you are putting into maintaining the top 20 rankings. Its normal for few to disagree. However, I believe that with continuous training and dedication and attending more tournaments one will eventually move up the rankings. These rankings are for fun and they get updated quite often like every month or two not every year so it should be no big deal and shouldn't be taken very seriously especially if someone is ranked between 10 and 20 which is more difficult to maintain. Keep training hard and competing and eventually you will be recognized.

Well said Fayez...well said, if only other people could see it this way.

[Dave McEwen]

Clearly I'm waiting to settle my placeing I beat Mike at MGC 2012 in the Masters Class when we were still fresh , then pulled 187 ams with many hard matches , and pro 54's next day which i knew i had little chance at because of the day before . 2 weeks later at the southern's i had 1 win over Joel and Joey but ran out of steam and joel beat me in finals and then Joey , but again i pulled 2 classes that day and burnt my self out too much ,how doe's this reflect in ranking ? I'm not bitching just wondering how the process works . it seems to climb in a really competitive class you can only pull one and not support the event when turnout is low . In the end I made myself look bad by finishing of where i would of if i only pulled my class. Thanks for all your tireless work Chris we do care . Dave

[Deleted]

Thanks Dave! At mgc, you beat mike but mike is not ranked in either Ontario or Canadian ranking. At southerns you beat Joel in the preliminaries but then he came back to beat you. If when he beat you, you were fatigued and he wasn't I could justify ranking you ahead. But in this case, you BOTH pulled 2 classes and he came out on top.

By pulling 2 classes you are rolling the dice. If in face you pull a higher ranked puller early and win.. It can/will vault you ahead of him. But there's always that chance you only get to pull him once fatigued.